Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

[Darat]

Maybe you would prefer it if the forum only had a load of atheists congratulating each other on how clever they are ?

Nah, just prefer some evidence for your hideous belief system that tells the 12 year old it is good that she has been repeatedly raped by soldiers and then set on fire as it means she is spiritually evolving.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

Science is not wrong. It simply knows nothing about the spirit world. Consciousness remains a mystery, in spite of outlandish claims by the likes of Daniel Dennett, who has to admit his ideas are just theories.

More unsubstantiated rubbish. And you still don't know what "theory" means in a scientific context.

 

[philkensebben]

I cant be bothered reading through the last 40 odd pages, but why do I get the distinct impression this thread has been goind round and round and round and round and round and.........

 

[Darat]

I cant be bothered reading through the last 40 odd pages, but why do I get the distinct impression this thread has been goind round and round and round and round and round and.........

Because you are psychic!

 

[Scorpion]

Nah, just prefer some evidence for your hideous belief system that tells the 12 year old it is good that she has been repeatedly raped by soldiers and then set on fire as it means she is spiritually evolving.

There you go again, dragging down my thread with horrible things.

I have never said we should cause people to suffer, I have said actions have karmic consequences.

 

[Scorpion]

Therein, right there, lies the root of all the nonsense you spout.



Yet you can have no experience of this. This is simply the product of your brain. You've dreamt it up, or you are so extremely gullible that you've just accepted what you've been told by charlatans, liars, fraudsters, and your fellow deluded.

It is my experience not all mediums are frauds, and I attended many trance lectures by famous mediums. I think they are now all dead but there is some of their teachings available on the internet.

I went to 'White Eagle lodge' the medium there was Grace Cook
I studied under Ursula Roberts, and was in her healing class.
I attended trance lectures by Ivy Northage.

All of them said similar things about reincarnation and karma.

 

[Scorpion]

The placebo effect is not proof of the existence of a spirit world. I can't believe this needs to be pointed out on a sceptics forum.

I did not know about the chakras until I saw a picture in a book and recognised them as the places I felt fire flowing. I subsequently found there are minor chakras in the palms of the hands and you can direct energy though them. Spiritualist healers do this, and eventually I was able to channel energy through my own minor chakras, and I could feel the benefit.

 

[MikeG]

It is my experience not all mediums are frauds,

With your belief that you are right about most things, you are not in any position to pass such judgement.

and I attended many trance lectures by famous mediums. I think they are now all dead but there is some of their teachings available on the internet.

I went to 'White Eagle lodge' the medium there was Grace Cook
I studied under Ursula Roberts, and was in her healing class.
I attended trance lectures by Ivy Northage.

So what? All you are doing is demonstrating that you are gullible, and that there are fraudsters on the planet.

All of them said similar things about reincarnation and karma.

All of them are wrong. All of them are liars or delusional.

 

[Scorpion]

All of them are wrong. All of them are liars or delusional.

You don't know that, its just your belief.

 

[MikeG]

You don't know that, its just your belief.

Indeed not. It is the null hypothesis. The default position until or unless evidence arises which contradicts it. Have you any idea why no such evidence has ever been found, despite centuries of looking?

 

[Scorpion]

Indeed not. It is the null hypothesis. The default position until or unless evidence arises which contradicts it. Have you any idea why no such evidence has ever been found, despite centuries of looking?

This world is a meeting ground of evolved and less evolved souls. It is by our interactions with one another we spiritually evolve. We act, and face the karmic consequences. If there was absolute proof of God and the afterlife we would be constrained by fear of those consequences.

In this world the truth is not self evident, we have to discover it for ourselves. By trial and error we evolve. In higher realms the spirits say the presence of a God is obvious. But in higher realms there is no pressure on us, and we cannot grow spiritually.

It takes the struggles of this world to force changes in the soul. Therefore souls choose to reincarnate until they reach a state of grace in a final lifetime, after which they continue on as immortals.

 

[MikeG]

This world is a meeting ground of evolved and less evolved souls.

Utter piffle

It is by our interactions with one another we spiritually evolve.

Individuals don't evolve.

We act, and face the karmic consequences.

Rubbish.

If there was absolute proof of God and the afterlife we would be constrained by fear of those consequences.

If there were flying unicorns farting stardust........

In this world the truth is not self evident, we have to discover it for ourselves.

No we don't. We can look up the accumulated discoveries of hundreds of years of human quest for knowledge. We don't need to reinvent the periodic table or trigonometry every generation.

By trial and error we evolve.

No we don't. See above.

In higher realms the spirits say the presence of a God is obvious.

You have no evidence for this. We have huge amounts of evidence that you are gullible, rendering your assertions worthless.

But in higher realms there is no pressure on us, and we cannot grow spiritually.

Meaningless.

It takes the struggles of this world to force changes in the soul.

There is no evidence for the existence of the soul.

Therefore souls choose to reincarnate until they reach a state of grace in a final lifetime, after which they continue on as immortals.

See above. Demonstrate the existence of souls, then we'll take some notice of the rest of your "wisdom" on the matter.

 

[Belz...]

Science is not wrong. It simply knows nothing about the spirit world.

It also knows nothing about Hogwarts, the Force, Smaug and the purple Teletubby.

 

[Belz...]

You don't know that, its just your belief.

I love how woo-woo believers have to drag down everybody to their own intellectual level when it becomes clear that they can't support their claims with anything that could ever convince someone who doesn't already accept.

 

[Mongrel]

You can assume I am lying, but I am not. Therefore there must be another explanation.

Well that's me convinced, a liar would never say that

Not an accusation that you're a liar, just pointing out that it's a wholly unconvincing argument.

 

[Scorpion]

I love how woo-woo believers have to drag down everybody to their own intellectual level when it becomes clear that they can't support their claims with anything that could ever convince someone who doesn't already accept.

MikeG said of mediums "All of them are wrong. All of them are liars or delusional. "

No matter what his intellectual level he cannot state this as a fact, its just his opinion.

 

[Scorpion]

Utter piffle

Prove it

Individuals don't evolve.

I said they 'spiritually' evolve. Experience makes us wiser. Hard experience forces changes in us.

 

[Darat]

There you go again, dragging down my thread with horrible things.

I have never said we should cause people to suffer, I have said actions have karmic consequences.

You have clearly stated any times that people suffer so that they will spiritually evolve, that you dont like the consequences of your belief system is your problem not mine. Thankfully my belief system does not hold that suffering is good.

 

[Darat]

It is my experience not all mediums are frauds, and I attended many trance lectures by famous mediums. I think they are now all dead but there is some of their teachings available on the internet.

I went to 'White Eagle lodge' the medium there was Grace Cook
I studied under Ursula Roberts, and was in her healing class.
I attended trance lectures by Ivy Northage.

All of them said similar things about reincarnation and karma.

Scientologists all say similar things about Xemu.

 

[Darat]

This world is a meeting ground of evolved and less evolved souls. It is by our interactions with one another we spiritually evolve. We act, and face the karmic consequences. If there was absolute proof of God and the afterlife we would be constrained by fear of those consequences.

In this world the truth is not self evident, we have to discover it for ourselves. By trial and error we evolve. In higher realms the spirits say the presence of a God is obvious. But in higher realms there is no pressure on us, and we cannot grow spiritually.
It takes the struggles of this world to force changes in the soul. Therefore souls choose to reincarnate until they reach a state of grace in a final lifetime, after which they continue on as immortals.

Just to point out again that you are saying that it is neccessary for the 12 year old to be repeatedly raped by solders and then set on fire, not only that but she chose to experience that suffering.

Horrible, disgusting and stomach churning beliefs.