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horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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carlitos said:
My unhelpful anecdote would be that 2 white guys mugging a black guy in Streeterville sounds pretty unusual. But I was wondering about this so I looked and found a summary of a study. Here's the link to the PDF of the original study.



Short version - the vast majority of violent crimes are committed by folks of the same race as the victim. White on black would be rare, as black on white would also be rare (just very slightly less rare).
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I was referring to street muggings in the Loop and streeterville...
 
By the way? This weird substance that they allegedly poured on our hero?

Betcha a nickel that it comes back as calcium chloride....
 
Distracted1 said:
Given what is out there to be gleaned (very little), whether or not the substance was bleach says a lot about the incident as reported.
Bleach being a chemical that whitens things.
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Sure, it's got the lot

"MAGA country" - Trump

"Faggot" - Homophobic

"******" - Racist

Bleach - Let's whiten that black skin!

A noose - Traditional KKK fare

And all in 60 seconds.
 
LTC8K6 said:
What is narrowing down the possibility that this attack occurred on the way back from Subway is the time frame and the video cameras.

There's nothing else that I would question as "impossible" in the story.
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Yes, I thought that was already established since he didn't have the string around his neck at the Subway. However, early reporting by TMZ(?) said something like he was beaten up on his way to Subway giving the impression that the attack had occurred before he arrived at Subway.
 
baron said:
Sure, it's got the lot

"MAGA country" - Trump

"Faggot" - Homophobic

"******" - Racist

Bleach - Let's whiten that black skin!

A noose - Traditional KKK fare

And all in 60 seconds.
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Sixty seconds is not necessarily too short of a time for what was reported to have taken place (if it did, actually take place), especially if the victim were taken completely unaware.
 
I find it curious that the MAGA Country hate crime doers did all this in the sixty seconds before he got in the building, but our hero did not ask for help from building security which might have, you know, led to them identifying and maybe catching the hate crime doers?
 
sir drinks-a-lot said:
This is the one fact abut the incident that you want to question?!
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Well, no, but I thought that I might have missed some information somewhere. You know that not everyone is coming at this as 'confirm my bias!', right?

It could be important who is claiming what. Smollett could have been wrong about what it was if he claimed it was bleach, but it doesn't appear he ever claimed that. It would be bad for people to be calling his account a lie on the basis that it couldn't have been bleach when he never claimed it was.

Also, the police could be mistaken on the smell as well.
 
MikeG said:
One in nine isn't that rare.
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2.8 per 1,000 would indeed be rare. You're forgetting that the crime itself is rare, and then only 1 in 9 of that rare event meets the parameter that you are considering.



Rare - dude gets mugged
Even rarer - dude gets mugged by member of another race


Not to mention getting mugged in that neighborhood is much rarer than it would be elsewhere.
 
Distracted1 said:
Sixty seconds is not necessarily too short of a time for what was reported to have taken place (if it did, actually take place), especially if the victim were taken completely unaware.
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Not impossible, but somewhat unlikely. It's like a textbook racist crime, with all the pertinent features crammed into 60 seconds of time which were not recorded on CCTV and which were not witnessed by anybody else.

This appears to have been a concern to Mr Smollett too, on reflection, because some time afterwards he and his manager make a statement that they were speaking on the phone at the time of the attack and the manager heard what went on and exactly what was said. Strangely enough, Mr Smollett refuses to hand over his phone records to the cops so they can verify this evidence which, at the current time, is the only piece of alleged evidence in the entire case.
 
Mike! said:
With the lack of photographic evidence, I think it's obvious at this point, he was attacked by a bigfoot. Actually, I guess it was two bigfoot. What's the plural of bigfoot? Bigfeet?
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Bigpodes.
 
baron said:
Not impossible, but somewhat unlikely. It's like a textbook racist crime, with all the pertinent features crammed into 60 seconds of time which were not recorded on CCTV and which were not witnessed by anybody else.

This appears to have been a concern to Mr Smollett too, on reflection, because some time afterwards he and his manager make a statement that they were speaking on the phone at the time of the attack and the manager heard what went on and exactly what was said. Strangely enough, Mr Smollett refuses to hand over his phone records to the cops so they can verify this evidence which, at the current time, is the only piece of alleged evidence in the entire case.
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We know that he was walking around outside within the time frame of the alleged attack.
 
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carlitos said:
2.8 per 1,000 would indeed be rare. You're forgetting that the crime itself is rare, and then only 1 in 9 of that rare event meets the parameter that you are considering.



Rare - dude gets mugged
Even rarer - dude gets mugged by member of another race


Not to mention getting mugged in that neighborhood is much rarer than it would be elsewhere.
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And yet rare events happen. That doesn't really tell us much about whether this one did.
 
The family of Jussie Smollett says the “Empire” actor was the target of “domestic terrorism” in Tuesday’s racist and homophobic alleged MAGA attack in Chicago.

scratch on cheek = Domestic terrorism

oy vey....
 
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carlitos said:
2.8 per 1,000 would indeed be rare. You're forgetting that the crime itself is rare, and then only 1 in 9 of that rare event meets the parameter that you are considering.



Rare - dude gets mugged
Even rarer - dude gets mugged by member of another race


Not to mention getting mugged in that neighborhood is much rarer than it would be elsewhere.
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Was it reported to be a "mugging", was he robbed?
 
Distracted1 said:
Given what is out there to be gleaned (very little), whether or not the substance was bleach says a lot about the incident as reported.
Bleach being a chemical that whitens things.
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Yes, notably clothing. Any reports of bleach damage to his clothing? That would have made it obvious.


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