Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
....... are all you people closed minded?
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You're the one here who has closed his mind. You are the one not listening to the mundane explanations, and the logic. You're the one who steadfastly attaches significance to the trivial and easily explainable, and not just significance, but accepts it as the one-and-only explanation. Given that you won't even consider the alternative explanations which challenge your world view it is painfully obvious who here has the closed mind.

To accuse Pixel42 of being closed minded when she has said:

Pixel42 said:
I certainly considered it a possibility before I educated myself.........
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suggests you aren't properly engaging with what people are saying.
 
Scorpion: If what you are saying is true, and communication between our world and that of the spirits is real, then instances of it happening should not be confined to a couple of mediums operating in the 1970s.
Can you give us the names of some modern-day mediums who you consider to be genuine? It would be much easier to evaluate these claims then.
 
Another mundane possibility is simple statistics. In 1945 how many children under two years old made it to adults?

Medicine was not what it is today. It is a safe guess four births would not be four adults
Another is the mother would not want to talk about it much.

My family has a similar story that only came to light decades later.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Scorpion: If what you are saying is true, and communication between our world and that of the spirits is real, then instances of it happening should not be confined to a couple of mediums operating in the 1970s.
Can you give us the names of some modern-day mediums who you consider to be genuine? It would be much easier to evaluate these claims then.
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I have not attended a spiritualist church for years, and have no contacts.

But I remember two names of mediums that gave accurate messages, and they are probably still working.

One was Trevor Williams, and the other was Gay Muir.
 
kali1137 said:
Nothing in a quick search for Trevor Williams but Gaye Muir:
https://www.sieben-verlag.de/autoren/muir-gaye/

Trains new mediums and writes books...…...tells me everything I need to know without delving any deeper.
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I met Gay Muir in a church and she told me my aura was open to the spirit world. She told me how to close it to keep out negative psychic energies, and it worked.

Why should she not train new mediums and write books?
 
kali1137 said:
She doing all that out of the kindness of her heart or getting paid big bucks for "training" and book sales?
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If she is a professional medium she has to earn a living.
I saw her when she was giving a church service, and mediums that serve spiritualist churches usually only get traveling expenses like petrol money, from the collection plate. They largely work for free.
 
Scorpion said:
Debunked my ass. I maintain that pretty well everything I have said makes sense. I say again that the message I got from a dead brother I did not know I had was evidence of survival. The medium told me three facts I did not know, and she had to be getting the information from somewhere. I think she got it from my dead brother, but all you atheists have to try and think of other reasons. I do not believe any of you are right, and If you people cannot bear to read about it again that's just too bad.
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It's not we can't bear to read it again our objections is to how boring it is to read the same rubbish time and time again.

But considering your belief system requires us to suffer I suppose causing someone to suffer even in a mild way is a plus in your belief system.
 
My problem is "Professional" medium. Problem is you will justify anything we could dig up with your own special spin. You have so much invested in all this having to be true that you won't see any legitimate criticisms or explanations. There are so many mundane explanations for what you say you have experienced but you are too emotionally invested to consider any of it. And I get it, because I know what it would mean if you are wrong. However, it doesn't make it correct.
 
kali1137 said:
My problem is "Professional" medium. Problem is you will justify anything we could dig up with your own special spin. You have so much invested in all this having to be true that you won't see any legitimate criticisms or explanations. There are so many mundane explanations for what you say you have experienced but you are too emotionally invested to consider any of it. And I get it, because I know what it would mean if you are wrong. However, it doesn't make it correct.
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If I am wrong I will die and never wake up, and after what I have been through I would be grateful for that. I am less emotionally attached to my beliefs than you might suppose.
If however, I am wrong about Muhammad being a false prophet, I will suffer eternity burning in hell.

But all my experience tells me I am right about most things. The spirit world exists, Muhammad was a liar. We reincarnate many times until reaching enlightenment, and so on.
 
Darat said:
It's not we can't bear to read it again our objections is to how boring it is to read the same rubbish time and time again.

But considering your belief system requires us to suffer I suppose causing someone to suffer even in a mild way is a plus in your belief system.
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Maybe you would prefer it if the forum only had a load of atheists congratulating each other on how clever they are ?
 
I think most people would prefer more convincing evidence of the spirit world, not anecdotes that have perfectly plausible mundane explanations being repeated over and over again.

As it is, the histories of two dozen people in a congregation would take very little time to research in the 1970s in a library with a microfiche of the BMD register and microfiches of local & national newspapers. Now it's even easier and faster.
 
Agatha said:
I think most people would prefer more convincing evidence of the spirit world, not anecdotes that have perfectly plausible mundane explanations being repeated over and over again.
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This, if people think that all established science (like what's making the computer they are typing on work) is wrong, it would be nice to get some compelling evidence.
 
P.J. Denyer said:
This, if people think that all established science (like what's making the computer they are typing on work) is wrong, it would be nice to get some compelling evidence.
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Science is not wrong. It simply knows nothing about the spirit world.

Consciousness remains a mystery, in spite of outlandish claims by the likes of Daniel Dennett, who has to admit his ideas are just theories.
 
Thor 2 said "So as well as literally hearing voices (female ones) as described in your other post, you now actually feel heat as part of your spiritual experience. Lots of material for our amateur shrink arthwollipot to work with here. "

I have said, somewhere in the depths of this, or another thread, that the first thing that put me on to a study of spiritualism and the occult was that I used to have feelings like fire flowing through various parts of my body. I also felt other things like cobwebs floating over my skin that were sensitive to sudden sounds.

One day I was looking in a book called ' alternative London' and I saw a picture of a yogi with the seven main chakras marked on it. I immediately recognised these places as the locations I felt the fire flowing through me. I then embarked on a search for information about this and an attempt to understand it.

I soon found asking psychiatrists about it was a waste of breath, and was dangerous, as they just increased my medication.

So I went to a spiritualist church in about 1972, and after that to the spiritualist association in London where I attended lots of trance lectures, and a healing class run by the late medium Ursula Roberts.

Eventually I was told the cause of my feelings was that my etheric body was loose, and my chakras were miss aligned. I had a lot of spiritual healing and after some years I was cured. I was then able to stop medication, and study to become an electronic engineer.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. The healing worked but the medication did not.
 
The placebo effect is not proof of the existence of a spirit world. I can't believe this needs to be pointed out on a sceptics forum.
 
Scorpion said:
......... my experience tells me I am right about most things......
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Therein, right there, lies the root of all the nonsense you spout.

The spirit world exists, Muhammad was a liar. We reincarnate many times until reaching enlightenment, and so on.
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Yet you can have no experience of this. This is simply the product of your brain. You've dreamt it up, or you are so extremely gullible that you've just accepted what you've been told by charlatans, liars, fraudsters, and your fellow deluded.
 
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