Split Thread Scorpion's Spiritualism

Scorpion said:
No, I assume you see suffering as pointless. Humans and animals all suffering for nothing. But the struggles of nature force growth and evolution.
Predator and prey both force evolution in each other. Individual animals are killed and eaten, but in the natural world the species evolve through their struggle.
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You seem to have a strange idea of what evolution is. That aside it is your beliefs that requires and needs people to suffer.

In your world the soldiers raping the pregnant woman multiple times are her benefactors as they are - by inflicting suffering on her - helping her to "evolve".
 
Darat said:
You seem to have a strange idea of what evolution is. That aside it is your beliefs that requires and needs people to suffer.

In your world the soldiers raping the pregnant woman multiple times are her benefactors as they are - by inflicting suffering on her - helping her to "evolve".
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Not just that, but those same soldiers are selfless heroes because by enabling her spirit to evolve they are setting their own spiritual evolution back. We should be congratulating and celebrating those soldiers for their benevolent acts!
 
@ Scorpion,

I see you did not answer my:

But, but, but, you say we need the suffering to progress. If we no longer have wars in the future, then planet Earth will have outlived it's usefulness as a place for soul development.
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I do understand why because it illustrates the nonsense you are saying here. If the reason for our existence as mortals, is to experience suffering so we can progress and develop spiritually, then where we live, planet Earth, must remain a place of suffering. Therefore any progress towards a peaceful and caring coexistence must be resisted.
 
Winter Salt asked me.

"Scorpion, how can you know if what you're experiencing about the "spirit world" is not just taking place in your brain?
Is there any way to confirm that what you detect actually corresponds with a reality of different kind than the one we all experience here and now? "
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I have had many evidential messages through spiritualist mediums in various churches since the late 1960's. One message I have already discussed, probably on this thread is that I had a message from a brother that died in the war as a baby. This message was very evidential as I did not know I had such a brother until the medium told me. She told me the circumstances of his death and his name.
I had never seen the medium before as she was visiting the church from out of town and my mother had never been to the church.
But when I asked my mother about it she confirmed the facts were all true.
That is just one evidential message of hundreds I have received over years.

I also sometimes get direct voices in my head which tell me facts, like a voice that told me I would have a win on the lottery one hour before the draw, and I got five numbers.
 
You have been given several possible explanations of your experiences which are far more plausible that that you happened to encounter the one genuine medium amongst the hundreds who use simple, well understood tricks to fool their subjects (and often themselves) at an obscure spiritualist church, so I see no point to repeating your anecdotes yet again.
 
Pixel42 said:
You have been given several possible explanations of your experiences which are far more plausible that that you happened to encounter the one genuine medium amongst the hundreds who use simple, well understood tricks to fool their subjects (and often themselves) at an obscure spiritualist church, so I see no point to repeating your anecdotes yet again.
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I was answering a query from the poster ' winter salt' who has not discussed these things with me before. I take it I am permitted to do that?

As for one genuine medium, I have had hundreds of messages over many years, and a lot of them were evidential messages from my dead relatives.
Over the years I attended different churches up and down England and in London. I received messages from mediums I had never seen before and a typical message would start.
" I have your grandmother here, she says she has been through to you many times before"
I was not easily convinced that there is a spirit world, but the quality of the messages I received convinced me after a couple of years. I remember thinking, ' the most likely explanation for the accuracy of some of the messages I received was the mediums were doing what they said they were doing, and talking to my relatives in the spirit world'.
 
Thor 2 said:
@ Scorpion,

I see you did not answer my:




I do understand why because it illustrates the nonsense you are saying here. If the reason for our existence as mortals, is to experience suffering so we can progress and develop spiritually, then where we live, planet Earth, must remain a place of suffering. Therefore any progress towards a peaceful and caring coexistence must be resisted.
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In the scheme of things suffering is only a part of our lives. I believe the human race is still in an unevolved state. We may have millions of years of evolving to do.

The spiritualist medium Ursula Roberts used to give trance lectures and a spirit guide purportedly spoke through her. I heard him once say that the level of evolution of the human race at the present time was the equivalent of Kindergarten.

I think I can say I have had my share of mental suffering, but it has not made a cynic out of me. I can still see the positive side.

Wars may be terrible and involve much suffering, but they also created a bond of brotherhood between soldiers who are ready to sacrifice themselves for others, and for their country. There is much courage, and comradeship, and mental strength developed in wars.

I remember a line from a film about the Alamo, in which one of the defenders is shooting down many advancing soldiers, and he turns to a man next to him and says.
"speaks well of men that so many are prepared to die for what they believe in, speaks well of men"

It is possible to see goodness even in dire events. Such things force changes in our souls, whereas idling away in paradise would be stagnation.
 
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Another thing I remember Ursula Roberts saying while in trance was,
"we live countless suffering struggling lives"

The spirits say we are on a long journey of the souls evolution over countless lifetimes on this and other planets. The ultimate outcome is said to be that all beings will achieve a state of grace, or enlightenment. The cycle of lives will be over and we will collectively remain in the spirit world as an immortal brotherhood.

I have also heard it said, it is not our destiny that is important, but the journey we are on.
 
Scorpion said:
Winter Salt asked me.

"Scorpion, how can you know if what you're experiencing about the "spirit world" is not just taking place in your brain?
Is there any way to confirm that what you detect actually corresponds with a reality of different kind than the one we all experience here and now? "
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I have had many evidential messages through spiritualist mediums in various churches since the late 1960's. One message I have already discussed, probably on this thread is that I had a message from a brother that died in the war as a baby. This message was very evidential as I did not know I had such a brother until the medium told me. She told me the circumstances of his death and his name.
I had never seen the medium before as she was visiting the church from out of town and my mother had never been to the church.
But when I asked my mother about it she confirmed the facts were all true.
That is just one evidential message of hundreds I have received over years.

I also sometimes get direct voices in my head which tell me facts, like a voice that told me I would have a win on the lottery one hour before the draw, and I got five numbers.
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Have you forgotten you posted this nonsense literally years ago?
 
Darat said:
Have you forgotten you posted this nonsense literally years ago?
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No! I am posting it for 'Winter Salt' who has not heard it before.

As for getting a message from my brother, or being told I would win the lottery one hour before I did win being nonsense, I think these things make perfect sense.

I have not only had evidential messages given to me through mediums, but also had direct accurate factual information imparted to me by a voice in my head. That voice told me I would win money one hour before the draw and it is LOGICAL to suppose that therefore some spirits can see into the future.
 
Scorpion said:
I was answering a query from the poster ' winter salt' who has not discussed these things with me before. I take it I am permitted to do that?
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Of course, and we are also permitted to point out that this rubbish has already been shown what it is.

As for one genuine medium, I have had hundreds of messages over many years, and a lot of them were evidential messages from my dead relatives.
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Evidential? In what way? Can you rule out that the medium is not an expert cold reader? Or even just a plain hot reader? Or can you rule out lucky guesses?
 
steenkh said:
Of course, and we are also permitted to point out that this rubbish has already been shown what it is.


Evidential? In what way? Can you rule out that the medium is not an expert cold reader? Or even just a plain hot reader? Or can you rule out lucky guesses?
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In the case of my getting a message from a dead brother I did not know I had, and getting his name and the circumstances of his death, it is clearly not guesses or cold reading. She told me facts I did not even know.

I also had other messages from relatives, but they were less evidential. For example I had a message from my grandfather who gave me the circumstances of his death. Saying he was put in a cot with sides to stop him falling out and he objected to it. But as other posters have pointed out that could have been a lucky guess. Personally I believe it was him, because I had many such messages from him and my grandmother over years of attending different churches.
 
Thor 2 said:
But, but, but, you say we need the suffering to progress. If we no longer have wars in the future, then planet Earth will have outlived it's usefulness as a place for soul development.
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Thor 2 said:
@ Scorpion,

I see you did not answer my:




I do understand why because it illustrates the nonsense you are saying here. If the reason for our existence as mortals, is to experience suffering so we can progress and develop spiritually, then where we live, planet Earth, must remain a place of suffering. Therefore any progress towards a peaceful and caring coexistence must be resisted.
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Scorpion said:
In the scheme of things suffering is only a part of our lives. I believe the human race is still in an unevolved state. We may have millions of years of evolving to do.

The spiritualist medium Ursula Roberts used to give trance lectures and a spirit guide purportedly spoke through her. I heard him once say that the level of evolution of the human race at the present time was the equivalent of Kindergarten.

I think I can say I have had my share of mental suffering, but it has not made a cynic out of me. I can still see the positive side.

Wars may be terrible and involve much suffering, but they also created a bond of brotherhood between soldiers who are ready to sacrifice themselves for others, and for their country. There is much courage, and comradeship, and mental strength developed in wars.

I remember a line from a film about the Alamo, in which one of the defenders is shooting down many advancing soldiers, and he turns to a man next to him and says.
"speaks well of men that so many are prepared to die for what they believe in, speaks well of men"

It is possible to see goodness even in dire events. Such things force changes in our souls, whereas idling away in paradise would be stagnation.
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All very nice but does not in any way address the question I asked that I can see.
 
Scorpion said:
No! I am posting it for 'Winter Salt' who has not heard it before.



As for getting a message from my brother, or being told I would win the lottery one hour before I did win being nonsense, I think these things make perfect sense.



I have not only had evidential messages given to me through mediums, but also had direct accurate factual information imparted to me by a voice in my head. That voice told me I would win money one hour before the draw and it is LOGICAL to suppose that therefore some spirits can see into the future.
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Again have you forgotten you posted all this nonsense long ago?
 
Scorpion said:
No! I am posting it for the poster 'Winter Salt' who has not heard it before.
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Why didn't you just PM Winter Salt a link to where you first posted it? They could then have seen the subsequent discussion too, and bumped the thread if they had anything to add to it.
 
Pixel42 said:
Why didn't you just PM Winter Salt a link to where you first posted it? They could then have seen the subsequent discussion too, and bumped the thread if they had anything to add to it.
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That would defeat the purpose...it would reveal that all this was already debunked. We can't have that can we...
 
Susheel said:
That would defeat the purpose...it would reveal that all this was already debunked. We can't have that can we...
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Debunked my ass. I maintain that pretty well everything I have said makes sense. I say again that the message I got from a dead brother I did not know I had was evidence of survival. The medium told me three facts I did not know, and she had to be getting the information from somewhere. I think she got it from my dead brother, but all you atheists have to try and think of other reasons. I do not believe any of you are right, and If you people cannot bear to read about it again that's just too bad.
 
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