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Different languages and God?

But what needs to be considered, is that very far back in time some people had no writing system. In fact, what might not be so commonly known is that Egypt, the Tarot, and travelling "Gypsies" were the start of various different civilizations written language and their spiritual teachings which eventually became religous concepts

I'm going to make a rather vain attempt to bring this discussion back on track here, because I see what we in the trade term a "teachable moment."

You're absolutely right that "very far back in time some people had no writing system." That's common knowledge among historians, anthropogists, and linguists, and if challenged I could easily find a number of sources that try to date both the origins of human language and of human writing, and show the discrepancy there.

You claim that it's not so commonly known that "Egypt, the Tarot, and travelling "Gypsies" were the start of various different civilizations written language and their spiritual teachings which eventually became religous concepts." It's certainly not commonly known -- in fact, it's believed by any competent scholars with which I'm familiar to be false.

There's some evidence that the Egyptian writing system influenced the Phoencian and through it, the Greek and Latin. This site suggests

About 3700 years ago, West Semitic-speaking people of the Sinai became workers or slaves under the sway of Egyptian rule. The Egyptian hieroglyphic symbols these Semitic speakers saw made an impression on them, and encouraged the adoption of a limited number of hieroglyphics to write down sounds in their language. Because phonetic Egyptian hieroglyphs only recorded the consonants, and not the vowels, the Sinaitic script also adopted this convention. On the other hand, unlike hieroglyphs which had multi-consonant signs, the Sinaitic script only used single consonants letters.

The result is a strange system whose symbols were very similar to Egyptian hieroglyphs, but recorded a language related to Phoenician and Hebrew. The result was the Proto-Sinaitic, also known as Proto-Sinaitic.

The meaningful Egyptian hieroglyphs became sound-symbols in the Proto-Sinatic, and later Phoenecian alphabets, which evolved into Greek and Latin letters.

However, as the site also points out

What made this the beginning of the alphabet, and not Egyptian hieroglyphs themselves? The result is simple as the Greek letter's name alpha. The word alpha in Greek does not mean anything at all, but in the original West Semitic form 'aleph it carried the meaning of "ox". In fact, it is not too hard to invert the letter A and imagine it as the head of an ox.

An ox-head is exactly the Egyptian hieroglyph Proto-Sinaitic adopted to represent the sound /'/ (glottal stop) as in 'aleph. However, the Proto-Sinaitics did not adopt the sound of the hieroglyphic. The "ox" sign did not represent the glottal stop /'/ in Egyptian. Instead, they chose the shape of the glyph (an ox) and give it the value of /'/ which is the first sound in 'aleph. This is called the acrophonic principle in case you're not familiar with linguistics.

The Phoenecian language and culture, to the best of our knowledge, has little to do with the Egyptian -- and the Greek and Latin even less. You can't assume from the adoption of an alphabet system that there is any substantial cultural or religious overlap -- there are many documented instances of a completely unrelated language's alphabet being "borrowed" simply to be able to write down one's own language. (Bantu languages, for example, are written in Latin script, as is Standard Indonesian.)

Beyond that, the idea that either the Gypsies (more accurately, the Roma), or the Tarot predated 1000 CE flies in the face of almost all accepted history.

Now, historians may not have gotten everything right. But one of the things that they have documented, for example, is that the purported connection between the medieval "Gypsies" and the land of Egypt is purely spurious. The OED, for example, describes the connection thus in the definition of gypsie":

A member of a wandering race (by themselves called Romany), of Hindu origin, which first appeared in England about the beginning of the 16th c. and was then believed to have come from Egypt.
They have a dark tawny skin and black hair. They make a living by basket-making, horse-dealing, fortune-telling, etc.; and have been usually objects of suspicion from their nomadic life and habits. Their language (called Romany) is a greatly corrupted dialect of Hindi, with large admixture of words from various European langs

So if you're going to make a claim about the purported "Egyptian" origins of the Gypsies, know that it flies in the face of a lot of accepted historical fact. This isn't just something that "isn't commonly known," but it's actually contradicted by the historical record that everyone else has studied.

At the very least, if you're going to make such a claim, you should be prepared to back it up with relatively clear-cut evidence from neutral sources. No one will take your unsupported word about the prehistoric Egyptian origin of the gypsies without some kind of backing.....
 
"You might as well try to teach your dog to talk. It's an exasperating experience for you and only annoys the dog."
Mark Twain or somebody
 
"You might as well try to teach your dog to talk. It's an exasperating experience for you and only annoys the dog."
Mark Twain or somebody

It doesn't really annoy the dog, just confuses it. As is clearly the case here.
 
Well, hey, I learned something about the evolution of alphabets today that I didn't know. Thank you, drkitten!

See, as long as you totally ignore Kilik, the Kilik threads can be worthwhile!
 
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KILIK, SHUT UP. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

God I hope this is all a big joke. I can't come to terms with the idea that someone this stupid walks the Earth.
 
Kilik, perhaps you’d like to tell us a little about yourself, your background, your upbringing and education, maybe your present situation. Knowing more about you would help people assess the material you bring to the forum, including your attitude toward it and your motivations in posting here. It goes without saying that you needn’t reveal anything you don’t want to.

I have the impression that you want to say something, most likely something about yourself. Forum Comminity would be a good place to post. I promise unconditionally that I won’t mock you.
 
Kilik, perhaps you’d like to tell us a little about yourself, your background, your upbringing and education, maybe your present situation. Knowing more about you would help people assess the material you bring to the forum, including your attitude toward it and your motivations in posting here. It goes without saying that you needn’t reveal anything you don’t want to.

I have the impression that you want to say something, most likely something about yourself. Forum Comminity would be a good place to post. I promise unconditionally that I won’t mock you.

The rest of us on the other hand.....
 
The subject line mentions a god. And the posting theorizes about the god. This is backwards. First present evidence for the existence of gods. Theorize about them only if you've got really good evidence for their existence. Anthropology, scriptures, and other mythology do not contain a speck of evidence for the existence of gods.
 
The rest of us on the other hand.....

I couldn’t very well promise on behalf of other people, now could I? Serioiusly, I’d like to understand Kilik better. If he’s only 9 years old, knowing that would help me (and others, I’m sure) frame responses to his posts. If he’s got Alzheimer’s, or a cruel load of debt, or an abusive caregiver, or a problem with the sauce, or any other misfortune he cares to talk about, I’m willing to listen. I don’t want to believe that anyone can be that addled for no reason.
 
I couldn’t very well promise on behalf of other people, now could I? Serioiusly, I’d like to understand Kilik better. If he’s only 9 years old, knowing that would help me (and others, I’m sure) frame responses to his posts. If he’s got Alzheimer’s, or a cruel load of debt, or an abusive caregiver, or a problem with the sauce, or any other misfortune he cares to talk about, I’m willing to listen. I don’t want to believe that anyone can be that addled for no reason.

Wait, you've been around here for two years and you think that? :eye-poppi

:D

ETA: You should head over to R&P and see the show over there, then.
 
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I’m currently in the process of formulating a theory relating to crazy woo posters on this forum. My theory goes something like this – at any singular point in time there can only be one crazy mental person posting complete garbage on the Jref forums’.

Think back to the ‘characters’ who have made our lives so much fun over the past few years ( I won’t mention any names – the regulars know who they are). Have you noticed that we never get ‘clusters’ of crazy posters. Just one.
Then a few months later another one turns up.

It’s a bit like Star Wars and the Sith….except there are always two of them.
Perhaps we have two also?

A master and an apprentice?
 
I’m currently in the process of formulating a theory relating to crazy woo posters on this forum. My theory goes something like this – at any singular point in time there can only be one crazy mental person posting complete garbage on the Jref forums’.

I'm guessing you don't spend any time in the Politics forum.
 
The Tarot Pack on the skepticwiki.

Everything you need to know about why Kilik's talking nonsense.Except why he's talking nonsense, if you see what I mean.
 
The original Tarot is older than history, and the original inner meaning are prehistoric. The original purpose is divination, but more about natural stages of life and the universe.

In society and amongst most people they quickly became used for fortune-telling, gambling, and things like that. But that very fact, as it was known even in prehistory, that the very nature of humans, and even selfishness and greed to an extent, would preserve them in one form or another, or perhaps several forms, until the 13th century or modern times today until we arrive at a good standardized version for today, one that would still be close to the prehistoric version but people of that particular time and society would use also

But the whole concept is a remnant of prehistoric civilizations
 
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