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Question on Conservative Mindset

cullennz said:
What proof do you have that your persons views are shared by the majority of conservative people?

What is your definition of your personal view of what is conservative.

I personally would consider my self slightly conservative in most things apart from social issues.

I agree with universal healthcare and benefits to those less fortunate till they can get themselves out of whatever individual hole they are in.

I have zero problem with any people as frankly I don't care what people do if it doesn't harm me or anyone else.

Gay. Trans...You name it, I don't give a *****

And they should all have the same rights as everyone else with as little hassle as possible.

But apparently because I am conservative in most other things this is wrong and I'm anti-trans according to your thread title
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Your interpretation is similar to if I had said "Democratic elections were held in the Congo" and from that you determined all congolese were Democrats.

seriously, could you please move on? I never said or implied any such thing and repeating it doesn't make it more true. I do not see why you continue posting on the thread if you are making no effort to answer the question I asked and have repeatedly clarified.
 
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Magrat said:
So, they're hipsters? That actually makes a lot of sense, thank you.

what is troika?
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you're welcome!

hipsters chase fads, these guys are more "conservative", more stick-in-the-mud. That is why the club analogy works better than the Tolkien analogy, to convey my meaning.

Troika? You spoke of gay pairings, I stretched that to include three-way "marriages" (which isn't legal, outside of SF). Or marrying a sex doll, apparently someone in Japan did something like that.

My point was, like you say, how does legalizing even 3-way unions affect me and marriage, unless how I value my marriage is all twisted and crazy?
 
Magrat said:
Because he is by definition of a conservative mindset. The political group doesn't own the word. I was asking for people who are also conservatively minded to help me understand what this person is thinking. Hence, that's what I wrote. You chose to take an adjective and turn it into a name, which is confusing because nothing I wrote in the op supports that interpretation. did you read the op?

as for point 2, why then did you repeatedly demanded that I defend those statements when I didn't say it? You've asked me over and over to defend a viewpoint I don't hold about a group I didn't mention and am not talking about.

If you yourself are of a conservative bent I would very much like to hear your thoughts on why the individual in the OP would feel and act the way he did. Otherwise can we please stop derailing the thread now?
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"Question on conservative mindset"
 
The interesting bit is a lot of feminists have the same views as the person in the OP.

So apparently TERFs are conservative.
 
What you are talking about is a zero sum mindset and I don’t think it is confined to conservatives. For example, it is a common belief among some people on the left that if some person X has more money than Y then X must have the money at the expense of Y.

Perhaps in this case some conservatives are worried about, dare I say it, the privileges that can only really exist by definition of someone having something that others don’t have. In any case, zero-sum mindsets often exist when solutions don’t need to be zero-sum. Trying to get people to see this isn’t easy.
 
angrysoba said:
What you are talking about is a zero sum mindset and I don’t think it is confined to conservatives. For example, it is a common belief among some people on the left that if some person X has more money than Y then X must have the money at the expense of Y.

Perhaps in this case some conservatives are worried about, dare I say it, the privileges that can only really exist by definition of someone having something that others don’t have. In any case, zero-sum mindsets often exist when solutions don’t need to be zero-sum. Trying to get people to see this isn’t easy.
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The phrase zero-sum is helpful, thank you, I found some interesting things about that. I wasnt referring to conservatives as a political group, as I have stated. But I can see a resistance to change could easily be based on a zero-sum assumption.
 
Magrat said:
The phrase zero-sum is helpful, thank you, I found some interesting things about that. I wasnt referring to conservatives as a political group, as I have stated. But I can see a resistance to change could easily be based on a zero-sum assumption.
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Congratulations on being one of the 10,000 who are now discovering the concept of the zero-sum game!

( Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1053/ )
 
Magrat said:
Can you provide any data or links about this? Also what is "terf"?
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Feminists who feel trans womens rights demands impact on their fought for feminist demands.

Not particularly something I tend to give and opinion on now except to say I can see both sides and it isn't an easily fixed issue.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=TERF

Edit: Changed link as the other was extremely biased to one side
 
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cullennz said:
I think the clue might be in having such a broad thread title.

But fair enough

Now it has been explained the title is pointlessly irrelevant.

Do you have any stats that all conservative politicians are anti trans?
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How many conservative politicians have spoken out against Trump's trans ban on the military?
 
Seismosaurus said:
How many conservative politicians have spoken out against Trump's trans ban on the military?
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The post writer has said they aren't talking political.

But if you want to make it that. A shed load.

I'll grant you not US

Is the thread "Question on Conservative Mindset" now narrowed down even further to US conservative politicians?

Some clarification would help, as all parties from the majority of other countries think Trump is an idiot
 
There's an interesting inconsistency with conservatives regarding homosexuality: They believe that gay people can be converted, whereas liberals argue that gays should love and accept themselves the way they are. If, however, you're born a male and want to be a female, then go ahead with surgery and hormones.
 
Cain said:
There's an interesting inconsistency with conservatives regarding homosexuality: They believe that gay people can be converted, whereas liberals argue that gays should love and accept themselves the way they are. If, however, you're born a male and want to be a female, then go ahead with surgery and hormones.
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See your problem with this statement is that their are quite a few in the LGBT community who are conservative.

I know it is nice to have bad people wearing black hats and good people wearing white hats.

It is comfy and easy to understand

But in the real world people wear different coloured hats depending on the topic , or grey hats.
 
cullennz said:
Feminists who feel trans womens rights demands impact on their fought for feminist demands.
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that would be exactly equivalent to the example in the OP. So absolutely, this isn't necessarily limited to conservatives.

On the other hand, my personal experience has been that it is usually conservatives who do hold views of this nature. Sure, only a minority of conservatives probably hold such views; on the other hand -- in my personal experience at least -- most people who hold such views tend to be conservative as far as their politics.
 
Chanakya said:
The club mentality, if I may call it that. If this club lets in the riff-raff, it dilutes my sense of worth in belonging to that club.

That's crazy at many levels. It reeks of entitlement. Of exclusivity, without really being deserving of anything special. Of elitism, based not on any kind of intrinsic merit but simply in terms of keeping the Other out.

And it reflects on how little these freaks value, for instance, the institution of marriage in itself. They value it more as a marker of "their" way of life, their identity.

Like I said, crazy, at more levels than one.
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But aren't the Libruls just a different club? Different rules: If we don't let in the _____ it dilutes my sense of worth in belonging to MY club?

And with all these splinter groups we've forgotten that we all belong to the same club: America. And what's important to that whole club? "It's the economy, stupid". Gay rights, gun rights, abortion rights have all been through the courts. Further discussions are merely re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I'll swap my guns for meat if the economy goes that bad. How much will health care cost when the country goes bankrupt? Leave your mate for health care? It happens every day. Move to racist state because it's the only way to get food for the family? You betcha.

Discussion like this are a First World Problem. Note that the trans are eating regularly. And so are the Conservatives.
 
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I was only trying to explain my take on why, for example, some people might consider gay marriages to be a dilution of their own marriage (which kind of view people do express).

Eta: and it is people holding such views, who are the "freaks". I at any rate did not intend this to be a discussion on politics.

That said, like I said, while probably only a small minority of conservatives hold such views, nevertheless my personal experience has been that a majority of those holding such views tend to be conervative in their politics.
 
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Chanakya said:
that would be exactly equivalent to the example in the OP. So absolutely, this isn't necessarily limited to conservatives.

On the other hand, my personal experience has been that it is usually conservatives who do hold views of this nature. Sure, only a minority of conservatives probably hold such views; on the other hand -- in my personal experience at least -- most people who hold such views tend to be conservative as far as their politics.
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I would totally agree.

This is my experience too.

My issue was just the broadness of the thread title.
 
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