Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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MikeG said:
Guido Fawkes is reporting that the Conservatives have rushed into candidate selection for all of their least winnable seats, suggesting that they are on an election footing. Didn't May promise to quit before the next election? So what's this all about?
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IIRC the words she used was she wouldn't fight the election in 2022 (under fixed-term parliament), which some took to suggest she would fight if an early election was called.

MikeG said:
Eleanor Laing, and two tellers, I think. I think they only got the support of one independant.
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Ah thanks, I forgot about the tellers and the deputy speakers. The opposition provides two tellers as well, so the majority balances out in the end, right?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Not really.

'Fanny' is an RN term for a 'slop bucket' used for rubbish and food waste on a mess deck.

It gets it's name from the 'a victorian murder case. A girl called Fanny Adams was murdered in 1867. Her body was dismembered and not all of it was recovered.

Fanny Adams became the navy slang name for tinned meat or stew. This was delivered in large tins which after emptying were used as slop containers, galley waste bins etc.

So by extension today waste buckets and bins are called a Fanny.

Also being a 'Fanny' or 'Fannying around' means to be useless.

Because of the initials FA the term also became a synonym for '**** All' as in:

Q "What use is he?"
A "FA"

All from the same root meaning.
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Oh, yes, I completely forgot about that. Me and my jaded/crude mind....
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Not really.

'Fanny' is an RN term for a 'slop bucket' used for rubbish and food waste on a mess deck.

It gets it's name from the 'a victorian murder case. A girl called Fanny Adams was murdered in 1867. Her body was dismembered and not all of it was recovered.

Fanny Adams became the navy slang name for tinned meat or stew. This was delivered in large tins which after emptying were used as slop containers, galley waste bins etc.

So by extension today waste buckets and bins are called a Fanny.

Also being a 'Fanny' or 'Fannying around' means to be useless.

Because of the initials FA the term also became a synonym for '**** All' as in:

Q "What use is he?"
A "FA"

All from the same root meaning.
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Our history teacher always complained about us doing Sweet Fanny Adams in class.
 
May is now asking the other leaders what do they think, which has resulted in Corbyn panicking and refusing to meet, since he has no idea at all. He claims to want to avoid a no deal exit, but his actions are more likely to result in one.

I think that May being remain, having to champion leave and Corbyn the other way round, is one of the reasons why we are in this mess.
 
Nessie said:
May is now asking the other leaders what do they think, which has resulted in Corbyn panicking and refusing to meet, since he has no idea at all. He claims to want to avoid a no deal exit, but his actions are more likely to result in one.

I think that May being remain, having to champion leave and Corbyn the other way round, is one of the reasons why we are in this mess.
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I have these toxic stocks which will bankrupt me, who wants a piece of the action?
 
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We need to have a second referendum. But it has to have options. Hard brexit, soft brexit, cancel brexit.
 
But with three options, what would constitute a winner? Just the one with the most votes? That would almost certainly mean an option with even less support than Leave or Remain got first time round. So anything that won would have been voted against by a vast majority. It might end up being even worse than the situation we're in now, which is already a situation with no good outcome IMV.
 
It really does need to be two options.

The sensible options would be:

Remain
or
Continue to try to find an exit.


But the treasonous actors who have initiated this ****-show would kick up such a fuss that their unicorn option wasn't on the ballot.
 
Matthew Best said:
But with three options, what would constitute a winner? Just the one with the most votes? That would almost certainly mean an option with even less support than Leave or Remain got first time round. So anything that won would have been voted against by a vast majority. It might end up being even worse than the situation we're in now, which is already a situation with no good outcome IMV.
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We vote on multiple parties at elections. We are able to decide on a winner there. There was a debate to have a third option of devo max on the Scottish independence referendum, which was dumped because both stay and leave side knew it would win.
 
3point14 said:
It really does need to be two options.

The sensible options would be:

Remain
or
Continue to try to find an exit.


But the treasonous actors who have initiated this ****-show would kick up such a fuss that their unicorn option wasn't on the ballot.
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That is not really two options. It is one and a half.
 
I would suggest two questions:

1. Remain or Leave?

2. If the majority vote to Leave, which type of future relationship with the EU should be negotiated?
- list of viable options


That second question should really have been asked the first time.
 
Pixel42 said:
I would suggest two questions:

1. Remain or Leave?

2. If the majority vote to Leave, which type of future relationship with the EU should be negotiated?
- list of viable options


That second question should really have been asked the first time.
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It's almost like the Tory party didn't have a clue what they were doing when they gambled the country's future in an attempt to resolve their own internal problems.
 
Pixel42 said:
I would suggest two questions:

1. Remain or Leave?

2. If the majority vote to Leave, which type of future relationship with the EU should be negotiated?
- list of viable options


That second question should really have been asked the first time.
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I think that would be the clearest way to put it; the Leavers would then not have the argument that their vote was being split. Choosing the options for question 2 could be difficult; what are there? Leave the EU but not the single market or customs union, leave on the terms of May's deal complete with backstop, leave with no deal?

Dave
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Not really.

'Fanny' is an RN term for a 'slop bucket' used for rubbish and food waste on a mess deck.

It gets it's name from the 'a victorian murder case. A girl called Fanny Adams was murdered in 1867. Her body was dismembered and not all of it was recovered.

Fanny Adams became the navy slang name for tinned meat or stew. This was delivered in large tins which after emptying were used as slop containers, galley waste bins etc.

So by extension today waste buckets and bins are called a Fanny.

Also being a 'Fanny' or 'Fannying around' means to be useless.

Because of the initials FA the term also became a synonym for '**** All' as in:

Q "What use is he?"
A "FA"

All from the same root meaning.
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I feel like I may need to start a new thread on Scottish insults but both fanny and fud refer to the same part of the anatomy however they do represent different kinds of people I think.
 
Dave Rogers said:
I think that would be the clearest way to put it; the Leavers would then not have the argument that their vote was being split. Choosing the options for question 2 could be difficult; what are there? Leave the EU but not the single market or customs union, leave on the terms of May's deal complete with backstop, leave with no deal?

Dave
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I think that you are going to have an issue with the second question if you offer things which are not necessarily on the table. Although it may be irrelevant because SURELY leaving would not win again.

I think the best you might be able to do on question 2 would be:

a. move ahead with the withdrawal agreement as negotiated
b. leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement
c. postpone leaving the EU and attempt to negotiate a new withdrawal agreement

although I think C is probably still too vague but probably reflects what Labour are saying (in its vagueness)

The bigger issue with Question 2 is that I don't trust the electorate to understand the implications of the choices.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
I think the best you might be able to do on question 2 would be:

a. move ahead with the withdrawal agreement as negotiated
b. leave the EU without a withdrawal agreement
c. postpone leaving the EU and attempt to negotiate a new withdrawal agreement

although I think C is probably still too vague but probably reflects what Labour are saying (in its vagueness)

The bigger issue with Question 2 is that I don't trust the electorate to understand the implications of the choices.
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Yes, I think that's probably the only realistic set of choices. It doesn't specify what the aim of negotiations would be in option C, but that's probably far too subtle for a blunt instrument like a referendum.

I would say that the bigger issue with Question 1 is that I don't trust the electorate to understand the implications of the choices. But I suppose we already know that.

Dave
 
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