Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Vixen said:
Andrew Neill on BBC News interviewing Health Secretary Matt Hancock managed to glean out of him that the Plan B will be a repeat of Plan A.
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I think it pretty much has to be, since the EU has said Plan A is the only plan they will accept and there cannot be a Plan B. B will be A, but with a little tweak here and there.

That means possibly a general election and Labour has to finally come up with a plan.
 
Nessie said:
"Plan B" is either B1 leave with no deal, or B2 ask the EU for an extension to think up a new deal or B3 discuss another referendum. I doubt Parliament can reach any sort of agreement on that. I think B2 is most likely at the moment.
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Viewing this entire mess from one of the Colonies, isn't this the real issue? It appears that the Parliament cannot agree on anything at all. There are no positives. Labour's position seems to be only to bet rid of the Government, take power then worry about what to do later. The Conservatives seem to have about four different mutually exclusive options, and the Parliament as a whole does not appear to even want to vote for something. They just want to vote against any option.


Have fun guys and Guyesses. We convicts will continue to watch with interest.


Norm
 
Darat said:
Why does she have to resign? She is safe from an internal vote to force her down and unless a general election is called there are no other legal measures that can force her to step down.
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Yes, I should have been clearer. I meant from an ethical point of view, and indeed from her possible point of view, that she had taken it as far as she could, though the latter does not seem to be in her mindset. I agree that with the DUP and ERG etc supporting her in vote of confidence and having won challenge a few weeks back there is no legal way she has to go. (Though I wonder if cabinet will still support her, I guess they might well to avoid Hard Brexit that might ensue if EU think UK just faffing about and do not extend March date).
 
fromdownunder said:
Viewing this entire mess from one of the Colonies, isn't this the real issue? It appears that the Parliament cannot agree on anything at all. There are no positives. Labour's position seems to be only to bet rid of the Government, take power then worry about what to do later. The Conservatives seem to have about four different mutually exclusive options, and the Parliament as a whole does not appear to even want to vote for something. They just want to vote against any option.
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This is, at least in part, because May has done everything possible, to the point of being in Contempt and being taken to Court, in order to keep Parliament and any other parties than the DUP out of the process. Appointing lazy and incompetent idiots to deal with the problem hasn't helped. This is the biggest and most potentially catastrophic situation we've faced in a generation at least and she seems to be working for a subset of the Tory Party, the DUP and **** everyone else.
 
lobosrul5 said:
If a no-Brexit happens, won't that mean a hard border between RoI and NI? Isn't that exactly what the DUP is really really against?
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The DUP is against many things

Catholics
Abortion
A hard border
A soft border
No border
Evolution
Fiscal competence
The 21st Century
The 20th Century
Anything after the battle of the Boyne
ETA:Gay rights
The Colour green​
 
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It has been obvious for a long time that we are getting a 'no deal' Brexit.
there will be no second ref, there will be no extension, no plan 'B' and no revoking of 50.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
It has been obvious for a long time that we are getting a 'no deal' Brexit.
there will be no second ref, there will be no extension, no plan 'B' and no revoking of 50.
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Grud I hope you're wrong. I don't think you are, but I have to hope that our Parliament, which last time I looked was run by adults, most of whom don't show obvious signs of chronic mental illness, will try to avoid forcing us down the route that everyone with any genuine credibility knows is the worst option and terribly damaging.

On a related note, how many people know that Jacob Rees Mogg's father wrote 'the book' on disaster capitalism?
 
jimbob said:
Good point, well made - I also added the colour green
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I was going to refer to them using a play on "Cards against Humanity" but the word I was going to replace 'Cards' with won't pass the autocensor. But I think it was a pretty accurate description.
 
Ian Osborne said:
What Archie and PJ said. May's deal will crash and burn, and she'll likely burn with it. Brexit will have to be delayed, possibly for a new election which will solve nothing unless Labour get their thumbs out of their arses and support a second referendum. So by the end of the month, we'll be in exactly the same place as we were two and a half years ago. You can't stop progress, eh?
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Wouldn't that cause some civil strife?
 
KDLarsen said:
Well, two things are fairly clear:
Tomorrow there will be a motion of no confidence, which I suspect the Government will win.

And on friday at the latest, May will have to present her plan B for what is going to happen next.
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I believe the government will survive the motion of no confidence. Tories would be insane to want a new election now, given how the last one backfired when they thought it would increase their majority.


My idea for the next step: put "hard Brexit" up for a vote in Parlaiment. Assuming there is not majority support for that, then hitting the "emergency stop button" is the only remaining option. Postpone or, if you can't do that, cancel. Not enough time for a new referendum before April. But postponing would allow for it.
 
What would be REALLY funny? May and the Tories lose the No Confidence motion too. Then they will HAVE to go to an election, which they will lose.

If Labour are smart, the first action when they get into government is pull the eject lever on Brexit. Cancel Article 50 it right there. Let everything go back to how it was previously and plan to do Brexit later when "conditions are better". Never mind the bleats from the Fromages of the world. Give them a swift kick in the arse for making your lives miserable the last two years instead.

The justification is that England has demonstrated that it is not the least bit prepared to do any type of Brexit at all right now. It has been a cack-handed almighty ****-up across the board. So what everyone needs to do is settle, then set a sensible course of action, make much better plans, then trigger Article 50 again later when everyone is "ready". Hopefully a LOT later. Like decades later.
 
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fromdownunder said:
Viewing this entire mess from one of the Colonies, isn't this the real issue? It appears that the Parliament cannot agree on anything at all. There are no positives. Labour's position seems to be only to bet rid of the Government, take power then worry about what to do later. The Conservatives seem to have about four different mutually exclusive options, and the Parliament as a whole does not appear to even want to vote for something. They just want to vote against any option.


Have fun guys and Guyesses. We convicts will continue to watch with interest.


Norm
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That is the issue;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46887683

"Here in Brussels, frustration hung in the air. With 73 days to go until Brexit day, Jean-Claude Juncker and European Council President Donald Tusk appealed (once again) for clarity from the UK.
"MPs keep saying what they don't want," fumed one of their colleagues. "They reject this deal. They reject no deal. They need to decide now what it is they will agree to."
 
P.J. Denyer said:
Grud I hope you're wrong. I don't think you are, but I have to hope that our Parliament, which last time I looked was run by adults, most of whom don't show obvious signs of chronic mental illness, will try to avoid forcing us down the route that everyone with any genuine credibility knows is the worst option and terribly damaging.

On a related note, how many people know that Jacob Rees Mogg's father wrote 'the book' on disaster capitalism?
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Leaving with no deal is the only actual option left, if we are to leave as agreed in 73 days time;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46887683

"For now the EU insists it hasn't the slightest intention of re-negotiating the divorce deal, known as the Withdrawal Agreement."

The EU also wants to ensure non membership is much worse than membership. No deal does that.
 
Nessie said:
Leaving with no deal is the only actual option left, if we are to leave as agreed in 73 days time;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-46887683

"For now the EU insists it hasn't the slightest intention of re-negotiating the divorce deal, known as the Withdrawal Agreement."

The EU also wants to ensure non membership is much worse than membership. No deal does that.
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Just little reminder: Any deal would be worse then membership. Almost by definition…
 
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