Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 6. Pick up sticks...

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Archie Gemmill Goal said:
One of the things I worry about with TM is who has her ear. She seems to repeat Leaver BS like the above nonsense about a 'clear verdict' without engaging her brain to consider that a margin requiring a 2% swing that's already been achieved by demographics maybe isn't as clear as her Brexiteer puppetmasters might insist.
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I think she looks as though she's heading for a breakdown. I would feel sorry for her, except it was her ambition without regard for the consequences that drove her to it, and deciding to do what's right for the country, rather than preserving the Tory party, would be a simple (but brave) decision.

I can't see any way out of the deadlock other than another referendum - even another general election would not be as clear.
 
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quadraginta said:
They should let the U.K. start it again wherever they left off before.
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Why?

The repeated idea that 'they should just not apply the rules everyone signed up to' is what got us partly into this mess in the first place.
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I think you missed my point.

The idea was that the U.K. could just game the system by repeatedly acquiring another two year extension by retracting the Article 50 and then submitting a new one. This would be the same rules everyone signed up to.

But if the second time they did it simply started the clock back up from where it had been left off when they retracted the first one then no such gaming would be possible.
 
jimbob said:
I think she looks as though she's heading for a breakdown. I would feel sorry for her, except it was her ambition without regard for the consequences that drove her to it, and deciding to do what's right for the country, rather than preserving the Tory party, would be a simple (but brave) decision.

I can't see any way out of the deadlock other than another referendum - even another general election would not be as clear.
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I don't get why anybody should feel sorry for her. She is getting paid, is she not? She'll be made 'dowager' whatever happens when she quits. She'll be a 'Dame' and possibly be doing a Tony Blair going around giving speeches.

She has shown herself to be callous and cold-hearted. Created a hostile environment. Grabbed people's pensions. Makes families on Universal Credit wait five weeks for their money. She is just out for herself. Nothing to 'feel sorry' about.
 
Vixen said:
I don't get why anybody should feel sorry for her. She is getting paid, is she not? She'll be made 'dowager' whatever happens when she quits. She'll be a 'Dame' and possibly be doing a Tony Blair going around giving speeches.

She has shown herself to be callous and cold-hearted. Created a hostile environment. Grabbed people's pensions. Makes families on Universal Credit wait five weeks for their money. She is just out for herself. Nothing to 'feel sorry' about.
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Those are some of the reasons I am not.

If she was someone who simply couldn't do her job, I would have sympathy.

In addition, deporting British citizens because of the colour of their skin and an assumption they can't have had the rights to live here.
 
quadraginta said:
I think you missed my point.



The idea was that the U.K. could just game the system by repeatedly acquiring another two year extension by retracting the Article 50 and then submitting a new one. This would be the same rules everyone signed up to.



But if the second time they did it simply started the clock back up from where it had been left off when they retracted the first one then no such gaming would be possible.
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But that would require a treaty change, and the UK would have a veto on that, and remember the UK is not alone in having minorities that would like to see the end of the EU, I suspect some of them would not vote for such a change.
 
jimbob said:
Those are some of the reasons I am not.

If she was someone who simply couldn't do her job, I would have sympathy.

In addition, deporting British citizens because of the colour of their skin and an assumption they can't have had the rights to live here.
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Even worse, getting someone else (Rudd) to take the blame.
 
Garrison said:
It seems now that a beyond the 29th of march is increasingly likely, with Grieve leading the charge:

Delay Brexit if deal is rejected, Dominic Grieve tells Theresa May

Given the number of bills that need passing and the low likelihood of May winning the vote on her plan a delay seems almost inevitable. With any luck this will cause Jacob Rees-Mogg to spontaneously combust in sheer frustration.
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Of course then the government needs to work out a delay deal. And they don't seem to be very good at negotiating deals.
 
Archie Gemmill Goal said:
… If this ******** has taught us anything surely it is that we should know what we are doing BEFORE we trigger A50. Not set a ticking timebomb in motion of our own accord then start working on a plan.
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And of course it was Vote Leave's pledge that we'd do exactly that; agree a new deal before triggering Article 50.

Sadly, May chose to jump without a parachute and assume that David Davies would be capable of cobbling one together while we plummet.
 
jimbob said:
I think she looks as though she's heading for a breakdown. I would feel sorry for her, except it was her ambition without regard for the consequences that drove her to it, and deciding to do what's right for the country, rather than preserving the Tory party, would be a simple (but brave) decision.

I can't see any way out of the deadlock other than another referendum - even another general election would not be as clear.
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That is the beauty of crashing out, you non't need to break the deadlock. Deadlock wins and brexit is achieved just like she promised. How will you get enough people on the same side to prevent that?
 
TM today says that in Britain we don't ignore the results of referenda conveniently ignoring her and her party's record of not honouring the result of the 1979 Scottish referendum, voting against the Welsh Assembly being established and campaigning for second referenda to get the devolved parliaments abolished.
 
Wudang said:
A dowager is a widow with title or property from her deceased husband.
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I am sure May can achieve it one day.

Ah, I see Denis was a peer:

Sir Denis Thatcher, 1st Baronet, MBE, CStJ, TD (10 May 1915 – 26 June 2003) was a British businessman and the husband of Margaret Thatcher, who was the first female Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
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Philip is not, but all he needs is a knighthood. Given out like candy these days.
 
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Vixen said:
I am sure May can achieve it one day.

Ah, I see Denis was a peer:



Philip is not, but all he needs is a knighthood. Given out like candy these days.
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Yes but Maggie was also ennobled in her own right.
 
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