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Of time travel and Hitler

If you really want to change the past, get a batch of vaccines and antibiotics and strategically apply them to royal offspring.
 
Or in some cases you may want to strategically apply some hedge clippers below the belt ;)

And I don't mean for trimming the bush ;)
 
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HansMustermann said:
Or in some cases you may want to strategically apply some hedge clippers below the belt ;)

And I don't mean for trimming the bush ;)
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Considering the large number of dynasties that have failed due to queens failing to get pregnant, the conclusion that Time Travels have secretly applied The Pill seems almost incontrovertible.
 
Loss Leader said:
This assumes time is not a closed loop. If it is, it doesn't matter what the time-traveler does and free will has no meaning.

Now I've made myself depressed.
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You could have a model of time like Zelazny had in his book "Roadmarks", where time was like a super highway, and each possible branch (kill Hitler/Save Hitler) just created a new fork in the road. As time travelers use (or don't use) the various paths, they become more or less prominent. Then all possible outcomes are possible!


The central theme of the novel is time travel using a highway that links all times and all possible histories.[2] Exits from the highway lead to different times and places. Changing events in the past cause some exits further up the road, in the future, to become overgrown and inaccessible and new exits to appear, leading to different alternative futures.

The narrator and protagonist, Red Dorakeen, has vague memories of a place or time that is no longer accessible from the Road. He runs guns to the Greeks at Marathon, trying to recreate history as he remembers it in an attempt to open a new exit from the Road to his half-remembered place. The phrase "Last Exit to Babylon" was the manuscript title of the book and appears on the cover art; it was later used as a title for Volume Four in the Collected Stories of Roger Zelazny collection.[3]
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Hitler even has a cameo, when the main character meets him along the road, and comments, "Are you still looking for the one in which you won?"
 
HansMustermann said:
So, anyway, the general consensus seems to be that if you had a time travel machine, you should go kill Hitler.
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It is? I've always thought you shouldn't mess around with the past, and also that the second world war, horrible as it was, was actually a good thing for the world in that it was so horrible that no one wanted another one and worked to make sure one didn't happen.
 
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So if we have a time machine we should go back in time and protect Hitler from other time travelers?

I would totally watch a movie of that.
 
@Horatius
That sounds like a more... poetic and visual version of the QM many worlds interpretation.
 
Belz... said:
Seconded.
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Oh yeah.

I can see it. Start the film as if it's a standard Dystopian future movie, some fascist government or a post-apocalyptic thing. Gradually you build up to the reveal that this is a result of time travelers killing Hitler, leading to a worse outcome (maybe Hans idea of a fascist western state, or perhaps a Russian-German alliance world takeover or something).

Could be good, if done well.
 
"The Man in the High Castle" actually has a sort of very minor version of this. In this timeline after Germany and Japan become the world powers after the Allies are defeated Hitler is still alive but has been reduced to a mostly meaningless figurehead and while still being... ya know HITLER does oppose the more warhawkish actual functioning Nazi leadership's plan to initiate a nuclear war with Imperial Japan.
 
It is foolish to keep experimenting with timelines. This timeline is about as good as it gets.

Has everybody forgotten what would have happened if a time traveler hadn't stopped Aloise Hitler in the street to ask him for the time and if it wasn't Adolf who was born 9 months later?
 
Hellbound said:
Oh yeah.

I can see it. Start the film as if it's a standard Dystopian future movie, some fascist government or a post-apocalyptic thing. Gradually you build up to the reveal that this is a result of time travelers killing Hitler, leading to a worse outcome (maybe Hans idea of a fascist western state, or perhaps a Russian-German alliance world takeover or something).

Could be good, if done well.
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Everything can be good if done well. ;)
 
HansMustermann said:
For my own contribution, let's imagine a scenario where Hitler dies at some point in '39. E.g., either the Michał Karaszewicz-Tokarzewski or the Georg Elser plots actually succeed.
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Ah yes, the Hitler dies in '39 alternate universe. One of my favorite alternates. I'm rich and was married to Cindy Crawford until I left her for Keri Russell in this one. This one is good for me -- not so much for some others.
 
There's a Rooster Teeth short film where Chris while trying to microwave another microwave to invent the "Macrowave" (just roll with it) accidentally goes back in time and keeps making a series of errors that results in a Nazi present where Nazi's landed on the moon and are the only world superpower, then when he goes back to fix that a Nazi present where Germany invaded America through Mexico so everyone is a Nazi but speaks Spanish, then when he tries to fix that one he gets a Nazi present where everyone is a Nazi but constantly Bavarian dancing for some reason, then a Nazi present with a Robo-hitler, and finally a present which is back to normal... but he has to come in to work this Saturday.

Finding none of those acceptable he makes one last trip to the past to fix everything.

Upon his return:

Matt: "Hey Chris."
Chris: "Matt! You're speaking English!"
Matt: "Well one of us has too..."
Chris: "Matt! Who's the President?!"
Matt: "Obama."
Chris: "Do I have to come into work on Saturday?"
Matt: "I don't even want you here now."
Chris: "Who landed on the moon!?"
Matt: "The United States..."
Chris: "Oh thank God..."
"Matt: "... of Mexico."
Chris: *Beat* "Close enough."
 
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Belz... said:
It is? I've always thought you shouldn't mess around with the past, and also that the second world war, horrible as it was, was actually a good thing for the world in that it was so horrible that no one wanted another one and worked to make sure one didn't happen.
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And if you are going to mess around in the past, at least be clear about what you meant!



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I'm gonna go kill Hitler guys. You will know it worked if the timeline changes so American drives on the right hand side of the street and Thursday comes after Wednesday.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I'm gonna go kill Hitler guys. You will know it worked if the timeline changes so American drives on the right hand side of the street and Thursday comes after Wednesday.
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The changes you predicted have occured, Joe, but somehow the history books still list Hitler as alive until 1945.

Must be a glitch.
 
I'm getting more and more disappointed that no one has mentioned that time that Mels/River was going to kill Hitler but The Doctor pretty much stopped her. So I will.
 
And let's all be honest. If they event time travel the biggest change is people using the "Well nobody's come back to stop me so the results can't be that bad" excuse when they are about to do something stupid.
 
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