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Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

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optiongeek said:
One of the problems with the skeptical theory is that it requires a lot of people who need to be fully invested in perpetuating a fraud.
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I suspect it’s similar to things like Homeoathy. It’s easily debunked garbage, but there are a lot of people who believe it completely.

The basic confirmation bias that lead people to invest millions in Theranose or to continue using homeopathic remedies can easily explain the ongoing staffing at BLP. Are there cynical frauds within the company who know its crap? Probably, but I’d be shocked if they were in the majority.

Mills himself falls into the “cult leader” archetype. How many cult leaders believe the claims they make? Is Mills a deliberate fraud or a delusional, yet charismatic, lunatic? We may never know.
 
tlp said:
One ex-employee is Brett Holverstott. Everybody should read his book and also his blog
http://www.brettholverstott.com/annoucements/2017/3/15/positive-alarmism
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I am, frankly, astounded that you would post this. Did you actually read the blog? Let be refresh your memory:
Brilliant Light Power has been in the research and development phase for 25 years, no one will believe their forcasts for delivering a widget. But they are now building the alpha prototype of the SunCell in collaboration with the prototyping firm Columbia Technologies and a photovoltaic manufacturer Masimo Semiconductor. They plan to deploy units for field testing sites this year. Let's suppose it doesn't happen until next year.
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First, of course, there's the whole photovoltaic Suncell thing. You know, the approach which Mills has scrapped. Why in God's name would you actually point us to a reminder of (at best) Mills's incompetence?

And let's not "suppose" that Mills will fail to deliver a widget. He did fail to deliver, not only that year, but "next year" as well.

Look, I'm not interested in debunking Mills at this moment. The question is, why would you provide a link, supposedly in support of Mills, which so forthrightly shows his failure? Do you somehow find failed promises attractive? One aspect of the BLP saga which puzzles me is the infinite resilience of Mills believers in the face of continued, unremitting failure to deliver, but is this simply a symptom of some underlying pathology which makes it impossible for them (and you) to recognize when what you say means the opposite of what you think it means?

Please, enlighten us.
 
tlp said:
One ex-employee is Brett Holverstott.
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That stuck me as odd. Why would Mills employ an author? Turns out, Holverstott is an author and an illustrator (with a dose of mathematical modeling). I guess Holverstott helped illustrate Mills' BBoBB.

Curiously, Holverstott had a Kickstarter project to fund him illustrating his own book.
 
halleyscomet said:
Are there cynical frauds within the company who know its crap? Probably, but I’d be shocked if they were in the majority.
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The key person here is a woman who has a degree from a religious college and at least claims to have a CPA.

The public documents front her as the responsible party for preparing whatever is given to the private "investors" in this company.

Mills of course is a con man of the first rank. She probably justifies her own actions on the basis of not being a scientist and incapable of judging the technology. But is she an idiot, or what? After one decade, let alone three, of incessantly claiming commercial production next quarter...?

She will of course know FAR more about company finances than the investors see. Just this one person would do it though. As far as the money crimes are concerned.

With even much larger scams like the world record Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme ($20 billion!) it was only five employees convicted of crimes.

Mills himself falls into the “cult leader” archetype. How many cult leaders believe the claims they make? Is Mills a deliberate fraud or a delusional, yet charismatic, lunatic? We may never know.
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As a rule, knowing what you can get away with is the most important wisdom. It looks like Mills will surpass Madoff in longevity so who is the real genius?

All of them know what frauds they are.
 
optiongeek said:
I've spoken with insiders, both current and ex-employees.
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Please understand that, as is, this is anecdotal evidence and carries little weight.

I've never heard anything to indicate they felt fraud was being undertaken. The guy holding up the wrecked moly container in that picture confirmed to me the circumstances that led to it. Five seconds of light from a run away reaction burned thru 1/2" molybdenum.
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From the photo, that does not appear to be 0.5" think.
 
LTC8K6 said:
What made you think Holverstott was new to the threads?

He's been popular all along in the threads on Mills.

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Indeed.

IIRC, Holverstott himself wrote a post or two, in this very thread (or one of its predecessors).
 
optiongeek said:
One of the problems with the skeptical theory is that it requires a lot of people who need to be fully invested in perpetuating a fraud.
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No, it doesn't. It could be a fraud with only Mills knowing for sure. 90% of employees are kept in the dark. The skeptical ones are probably kept under perpetual NDA, whether they stay on or not.

I bet Mills never lets anyone actually test his claims. Instead, they probably work on useless engineering projects to produce light for a few seconds, to show investors.

Imagine this potential scenario -- Mills reads about an impressive light-display reaction. Mills tells someone to add something to the gas in the next round of projects (or does it himself). Mills then tells someone else to test the new setup. Wow, it sparks better! Everyone is convinced that Mills is a genius.

The science is bad. The papers I've read would fail in a graduate project.
 
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It was stated: One of the problems with the skeptical Mills theory is that it requires a lot of people who need to be fully invested in perpetuating a fraud.

No not really, just a few, and we have a few people here doing just that.
 
HappySkeptic99 said:
The science is bad. The papers I've read would fail in a graduate project.
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The business is bad too - 'we are just about to succeed and go into production' said for 30 years with absolute failure in all cases.

Now that is bad business but great scamming.
 
tlp said:
But nobody has read Holverstotts book?

And at least some have not noticed this
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Yes I have read Holverstott's book in its entirety. The writing was okay. Too bad the science is crap, and Brett doesn't have the skepticism or scientific knowledge to understand that.

The video shows something heating up? Who would've thought that 10,000 Amps, hydrogen, water, metals, or who knows what else can cause heat?
 
tlp said:
But nobody has read Holverstotts book?
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Yes, many people have. You would know this if you've actually read this thread and the several preceding ones as requested.

You'd have known that every thing you've brought up so far since joining has already been brought up before and thoroughly analyzed. It's the least one could do if one wishes to make actual contributions rather than spam the same-old same-old in the hopes that lurkers would get the wrong impression of Mills' actual success vs. failures.
 
HappySkeptic99 said:
Yes I have read Holverstott's book in its entirety. The writing was okay. Too bad the science is crap, and Brett doesn't have the skepticism or scientific knowledge to understand that.

The video shows something heating up? Who would've thought that 10,000 Amps, hydrogen, water, metals, or who knows what else can cause heat?
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Abuse a welding unit, add in some some window dressing, and before you can say "Allakazam Flimflam", suddenly SCIENCE...

Absolute muppetry of the first order.
 
That big amperage would also explain the hole burned in the jolt container too.
Call it light or pixie dust but it was a welding arc.
 
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halleyscomet said:
Mills himself falls into the “cult leader” archetype. How many cult leaders believe the claims they make? Is Mills a deliberate fraud or a delusional, yet charismatic, lunatic? We may never know.
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I favor a middle ground view on this issue. i.e. Mills internally justifies his shady behavior because he believes his gadgets can really work, they just need people to invest in them. So not quite an unmitigated fraudster but still a guy that is comfortable with shady behavior for self promotion.

Still after 30 years of relentless failure it seems like he might have begun to suspect that he has been wrong. But confirmation bias is a powerful element in the human thought process and for some people it is so powerful that no amount of contrary evidence will lead to a changed view. Maybe Mills is one of those people.
 
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