Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[Red Baron Farms]

I'd rather you didn't (defer to my expertise).

You're familiar with the thought experiment - originally due to Newton IIRC - firing a cannon horizontally from a tower on the surface of an airless world? To a first approximation, the trajectory of the cannon ball is a parabola; in more detail, it's part of an ellipse, with the center of the Earth as a focus.

Up the speed and the cannon ball will go into orbit, returning to strike the cannon after one orbit (so you need to lower it!).

A DM particle is like the cannon ball. If launched at a different angle, the (partial) ellipse will be different. And unless it's launched either "straight up" or "straight down", it won't go through the center of the Earth.

On a planet that's not rotating (or the cannon not at either pole of a rotating one).

The (or rather a) complication comes from the shell theorem (remarkable, eh?).

As a DM particle falls through the Earth, the mass it's "feeling" is that within a sphere at its location (to first order; there are many second, third, ... order effects I'm ignoring). Which, obviously, decreases as it gets closer to the center of the Earth. This means its orbit will not be elliptical (special cases aside).

Rotation matters: even if a DM particle is created with zero velocity, wrt the device which created it, fixed firmly on the surface of the Earth, its velocity is not zero wrt the center of the Earth (special cases aside). How come? Well, think of why sites which launch satellites tend to be closer to the equator than the poles, and why the launch direction is almost always east-ish (Israel's success came with a heavy cost in terms of satellite mass and rocket fuel expended; Russia would love to have a launch site closer to the equator).


Indeed.

But, come February - per markie's promise hint whatever - we will know for sure that hydrinos exist ... when the five (or more) working prototype hydrino-based generators are delivered to truly independent testing facilities.

I am very familiar with that thought experiment yes. Anyway it seems tlp has also abandoned Mill's claim this is dark matter too, because it is unsupportable. So they all believe dark matter doesn't exist at all, it's all hydrinos.

That means my work on that part of this is done. Hydrinos can't be considered dark matter period. Mills proven wrong.

The next step then is to get some characteristics for this dihydrno gas, that is so common that 95% of the whole universe is Hydrino.

Oh but oops, magically it is undetectable once created.

The not dark matter that magically goes dark when we try to measure it?

Its quantum madness?

 

[The Man]

Just have look at the patent application. Though Mills have invented better method since then, but anyway he wants to avoid those combounds in SunCell because those would need to removed and some material replaced in long running reactor. And he can avoid, as he knows what he is doing and what is the theory behind.

I've looked at the patent application and quoted it. It is incumbent on no one but you to support your claims. As he has yet to produce a viable product after repeatedly claiming to be on the verge of doing so demonstrates he doesn't know "what he is doing". Seriously, Mills "knows what he is doing" is the best you can do to support your own claim from your own citation?

It would be separate system where these combounds are genrated, but that might have to wait after SunCell is ready.

Again other system may be better and more efficient at producing such compounds. However, nothing cited yet precludes such compounds from forming in the SunCell.

Again, why aren't "silver or gallium" "suitable for hydino combounds"?. Please, be specific and preferably quote references.

 

[markie]

Not sure, but the boiling point for dihydrino gas would be different than it is for hydrogen gas. As I recall perhaps two years ago here I posted a link to an experiment where dihydrino gas was separated from hydrogen gas via boiling point differential. Can't recall the details now.

From https://patents.google.com/patent/US6024935A/en

In a fifth embodiment, the gas sample is purified by cryodistillation wherein normal hydrogen can be liquefied and separated from gaseous lower-energy hydrogen (dihydrino). The dihydrino can be concentrated by liquefaction in liquid helium.

 

[The Man]

From https://patents.google.com/patent/US6024935A/en

In a fifth embodiment, the gas sample is purified by cryodistillation wherein normal hydrogen can be liquefied and separated from gaseous lower-energy hydrogen (dihydrino). The dihydrino can be concentrated by liquefaction in liquid helium.

Fantastic, so it doesn't just escape and float away but instead can be liquified. You do understand that liquefaction is a change in the degrees of freedom (a phase change) of the molecules such that their kinetic energy drops below the point where intermolecular forces can tend to hold them together?

 

[JeanTate]

It's admirable that you, markie, try to read astro-preprints on arXiv.

It's rather less admirable that you don't take the time to understand the topic.

My hilite.

optiongeek, as Red Baron Farms pointed out, you have encountered the same conundrum as markie faced, some time ago (which you'd be well aware of if you had heeded my advice and spent some time actually reading the posts in this thread, and its predecessors) ... if hydrinos are dark matter, they'll sink to the center of the Earth. They also won't form compounds.

If they can form a dihydrino compound, they will emit electromagnetic radiation, as - like ordinary hydrogen - the molecule can rotate and vibrate.

And you might consider learning some astronomy; Mills claims about hydrinos being dark matter are laughable ... so much ignorance in so few words. If it makes you feel better, markie, in parroting Mills, made a complete fool of himself on this topic too.

The irony here is that you don't know what dark matter is, yet presume to know that it would "sink to the center of the Earth."

I'll take time to explain, in simple terms, what "dark matter" is, to an astrophysicist (etc). So I can quote this post in future when (not if) similar glaring misunderstandings arise. Note: this is quite simplified; if you would like more (technical) detail, please ask.

From a wide range of astronomical observations, the existence of CDM (cold dark matter), and its abundance, is a consistent conclusion. The observations do not say anything about whether CDM is a particle (or particles), or a sign of a need for a different theory of gravity, or ... or some combination thereof.

CDM is "cold" meaning that, wrt local reference frames, it moves slowly (i.e. not at relativistic speeds).

CDM is "dark" meaning that it does not emit (or absorb) electromagnetic radiation. If CDM is a particle (or particles, etc), that means its electromagnetic cross-section is very small, if not zero. Another way of saying the same thing: CDM does not "feel" the electromagnetic (EM) force. There's a lot of speculation on the size of the weak cross-section, or the strong cross-section (assuming it's a particle). Also whether a CDM particle can decay, and whether CDM particle collisions could lead to annihilation. In some speculative models, such decays or annihilations would produce an EM signature. So far, no such signatures have been reliably, independently, reported in the literature.

Neutrinos are one kind of DM - they interact with other matter via the weak force only. However, the neutrinos we know about cannot be an astrophysicist's CDM, because their signature in the CMB (cosmic microwave background) is different (and observation matches theory very well). CDM could be a heavy "sterile" neutrino, one that interacts via gravity only.

Lots of people with "alternative" views have proposed lots of different, baryonic, forms of CDM. A popular one is hydrogen gas, H₂ ... but nearly always those proposing it don't know enough astronomy to realise that this is wildly inconsistent with the relevant observations. Similarly, rogue planets, iron cannon balls, and many more are likewise wildly inconsistent with the relevant observations. Perhaps the most interesting alternative is PBHs, primordial black holes; whether these are "baryonic" or not is, well, something for a good discussion! Unfortunately, I think all but perhaps a very narrow mass range of PBHs have been shown to be inconsistent with the relevant observations.

Hydrinos, and dihydrino gas, if they exist, are undoubtedly baryonic!

And, per markie et al.'s previous posts, they are not dark, by any stretch of anyone's imagination (including Mills').

So a very good question is: "have astronomers found any EM signatures of hydrinos or dihydrino gas?" No guesses as to what the answer is (pace markie)!

Alternatively you could be more open minded and realize that dark matter could well interact electromagnetically with baryonic matter as per
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1803.06698.pdf

An excess 21-cm absorption signal is a clear sign of baryon - dark matter (b-DM) scattering, since alternative explanations are untenable.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of papers reporting possible electromagnetic signatures of CDM. This one is, per the author, "old, before peer review" (never a good sign). It has already many cites, and skimming these, it seems the author's ideas have been challenged. Just like many/most similar papers.

 

[8enotto]

Thank you. Definitions help make clear ideas.

 

[Matthew Cline]

From a wide range of astronomical observations, the existence of CDM (cold dark matter), and its abundance, is a consistent conclusion. ...

CDM is "dark" meaning ... CDM does not "feel" the electromagnetic (EM) force.

IIRC, Markie thinks that there's insufficient evidence to be 100% certain that the "missing mass" doesn't interact with EM. For example, I pointed out to him a study of two galaxies which had recently passed through each other, and the distribution of their missing mass showed that the missing mass of each had passed through each other without interacting with each other or with the any of the interstellar gas, interactions which would have happened if the missing mass can feel EM. I can't remember Markie's response, but he didn't think it was enough to contradict Mills' idea that the missing mass is made from baryonic matter.

 

[tlp]

Again other system may be better and more efficient at producing such compounds. However, nothing cited yet precludes such compounds from forming in the SunCell.

Hydrino compounds are not very easy to form, and specially if you know what you are doing, it is very easy to avoid them. Except dihydrino compound, that is almost automatic like with hydrogen to get into H2.
So you dont need to worry about that, mills knows what he is doing, SunCell is going to be eventually ready, not producing anything else that dihydrino gas.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

From https://patents.google.com/patent/US6024935A/en

In a fifth embodiment, the gas sample is purified by cryodistillation wherein normal hydrogen can be liquefied and separated from gaseous lower-energy hydrogen (dihydrino). The dihydrino can be concentrated by liquefaction in liquid helium.

Fantastic, this is what I waited 2 years for!

Show me

This is brilliantly done. Now we finally get to observe dihydrino gas and dihydrino liquid. Now we can measure all sorts of its characteristics, it's viscosity, its conductivity, its boiling point, it might even be a greenhouse gas? Or too small for that? I eager await all the results of the testing that has been done.

or is this yet again pure fiction and actually Mills never actually did it at all?

 

[markie]

IIRC, Markie thinks that there's insufficient evidence to be 100% certain that the "missing mass" doesn't interact with EM. For example, I pointed out to him a study of two galaxies which had recently passed through each other, and the distribution of their missing mass showed that the missing mass of each had passed through each other without interacting with each other or with the any of the interstellar gas, interactions which would have happened if the missing mass can feel EM. I can't remember Markie's response, but he didn't think it was enough to contradict Mills' idea that the missing mass is made from baryonic matter.

To me the findings are mixed but have of course tended to dark matter having minimal interaction with itself and baryonic matter. Very recently that view is starting to change towards more interaction.

 

[markie]

Fantastic, this is what I waited 2 years for!

Show me

This is brilliantly done. Now we finally get to observe dihydrino gas and dihydrino liquid. Now we can measure all sorts of its characteristics, it's viscosity, its conductivity, its boiling point, it might even be a greenhouse gas? Or too small for that? I eager await all the results of the testing that has been done.

or is this yet again pure fiction and actually Mills never actually did it at all?

Now that dihydrino can be produced in far greater amounts, it will be further characterized in its bulk properties as are other compounds. Much more difficult but doable. It won't be a greenhouse gas though because (being diatomic) it is linear. However unlike hydrogen gas that can get ionized up in the atmosphere and - due to its light mass - is easily accelerated to escape velocity by the earth's magnetic field, dihydrino gas I suspect will linger more in the upper atmosphere.

 

[optiongeek]

It's admirable that you, markie, try to read astro-preprints on arXiv.

It's rather less admirable that you don't take the time to understand the topic.
I'll take time to explain, in simple terms, what "dark matter" is, to an astrophysicist (etc). So I can quote this post in future when (not if) similar glaring misunderstandings arise. Note: this is quite simplified; if you would like more (technical) detail, please ask.

From a wide range of astronomical observations, the existence of CDM (cold dark matter), and its abundance, is a consistent conclusion. The observations do not say anything about whether CDM is a particle (or particles), or a sign of a need for a different theory of gravity, or ... or some combination thereof.

CDM is "cold" meaning that, wrt local reference frames, it moves slowly (i.e. not at relativistic speeds).

CDM is "dark" meaning that it does not emit (or absorb) electromagnetic radiation. If CDM is a particle (or particles, etc), that means its electromagnetic cross-section is very small, if not zero. Another way of saying the same thing: CDM does not "feel" the electromagnetic (EM) force. There's a lot of speculation on the size of the weak cross-section, or the strong cross-section (assuming it's a particle). Also whether a CDM particle can decay, and whether CDM particle collisions could lead to annihilation. In some speculative models, such decays or annihilations would produce an EM signature. So far, no such signatures have been reliably, independently, reported in the literature.

Neutrinos are one kind of DM - they interact with other matter via the weak force only. However, the neutrinos we know about cannot be an astrophysicist's CDM, because their signature in the CMB (cosmic microwave background) is different (and observation matches theory very well). CDM could be a heavy "sterile" neutrino, one that interacts via gravity only.

Lots of people with "alternative" views have proposed lots of different, baryonic, forms of CDM. A popular one is hydrogen gas, H₂ ... but nearly always those proposing it don't know enough astronomy to realise that this is wildly inconsistent with the relevant observations. Similarly, rogue planets, iron cannon balls, and many more are likewise wildly inconsistent with the relevant observations. Perhaps the most interesting alternative is PBHs, primordial black holes; whether these are "baryonic" or not is, well, something for a good discussion! Unfortunately, I think all but perhaps a very narrow mass range of PBHs have been shown to be inconsistent with the relevant observations.

Hydrinos, and dihydrino gas, if they exist, are undoubtedly baryonic!

And, per markie et al.'s previous posts, they are not dark, by any stretch of anyone's imagination (including Mills').

So a very good question is: "have astronomers found any EM signatures of hydrinos or dihydrino gas?" No guesses as to what the answer is (pace markie)!


There are hundreds, if not thousands, of papers reporting possible electromagnetic signatures of CDM. This one is, per the author, "old, before peer review" (never a good sign). It has already many cites, and skimming these, it seems the author's ideas have been challenged. Just like many/most similar papers.

This is a good explanation of the current state of knowledge of CDM. If you simply add in the non-radiation condition as the reason for CDM not feeling the effects of the EM force, then you have exactly the hydrino.

 

[The Man]

Hydrino compounds are not very easy to form, and specially if you know what you are doing, it is very easy to avoid them. Except dihydrino compound, that is almost automatic like with hydrogen to get into H2.

So still no support for your claim that "silver or gallium" "are not suitable for hydino combounds" other than "mills knows what he is doing".

So you dont need to worry about that, mills knows what he is doing, SunCell is going to be eventually ready, not producing anything else that dihydrino gas.

Where did I say I was worried? Not destroying your equipment is also "easy to avoid" "if you know what you are doing". Do please let us know when "mills knows what he is doing" enough to at least avoid that.

 

[markie]

(snip)
There are hundreds, if not thousands, of papers reporting possible electromagnetic signatures of CDM. This one is, per the author, "old, before peer review" (never a good sign). It has already many cites, and skimming these, it seems the author's ideas have been challenged. Just like many/most similar papers.

Well at least you could have mentioned that it got into Nature
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25791

The recent detection of the global 21-centimetre spectrum5 reveals a stronger absorption than the maximum predicted by existing models, at a confidence level of 3.8 standard deviations. Here we report that this absorption can be explained by the combination of radiation from the first stars and excess cooling of the cosmic gas induced by its interaction with dark matter8,9,10. Our analysis indicates that the spatial fluctuations of the 21-centimetre signal at cosmic dawn could be an order of magnitude larger than previously expected and that the dark-matter particle is no heavier than several proton masses, well below the commonly predicted mass of weakly interacting massive particles. Our analysis also confirms that dark matter is highly non-relativistic and at least moderately cold, and primordial velocities predicted by models of warm dark matter are potentially detectable. These results indicate that 21-centimetre cosmology can be used as a dark-matter probe.

 

[Hans]

Really?

What evidence - objective, independently verifiable evidence - can you provide for this, um, amazing claim?

FWIW, markie and, to some extent, optiongeek, has tried to provide such, and has failed. I strongly recommend that you read the entirety of this thread and its predecessors. Why? Because it would be very tiresome to go over the same grounds again (and again, and again). As we have been doing, in regard to your posts since you joined ISF.

....but that would be the real point of his showing up - to relentless go over the same stuff, over and over again to keep alive the 'possibility'.

That is all the Millsites can do and that is why they constantly cry for the world to accept the possibility that 30 years of abject failure, scam like actions, lies....they are really just the necessary steps to.....................

hydrino nirvana.................lol

 

[The Man]

This is a good explanation of the current state of knowledge of CDM. If you simply add in the non-radiation condition as the reason for CDM not feeling the effects of the EM force, then you have exactly the hydrino.

Nope, "the effects of the EM force" aren't limited to simply a radiation condition. Thus simply having some "non-radiation condition" doesn't amount to "not feeling the effects of the EM force,". Exemplified here by assertions of "the non-radiation condition" while "feeling the effects of the EM force". Heck, just the reduction (gaining of an electron) of the hydrio asserted by Mills in the patent citation note before demonstrates that.


ETA: If you look here

https://brilliantlightpower.com/plasma-video/

you'll not only see the claim that they're still trying to figure out how not to destroy suncells (as recent as this past september) but also the assertion of the magnetic properties of one of the hydrino compounds being due specifically to the hydrino. "not feeling the effects of the EM force,", my arse.

Again, it's as if proponents don't spend any time at all actually studying just Mills claims.

 

[LTC8K6]

We all know now, you and me and a few others who have read these messages.

Dihydrino is just what H2 is to H, the most common form.

Everyone but Mills and Co knows only one thing about hydrinos and dihydrinos...

That one thing is that Mills claims they exist.

 

[LTC8K6]

Now that dihydrino can be produced in far greater amounts, it will be further characterized in its bulk properties as are other compounds. Much more difficult but doable. It won't be a greenhouse gas though because (being diatomic) it is linear. However unlike hydrogen gas that can get ionized up in the atmosphere and - due to its light mass - is easily accelerated to escape velocity by the earth's magnetic field, dihydrino gas I suspect will linger more in the upper atmosphere.

What independent studies show that dihydrino gas is not a greenhouse gas?

Or any studies...

 

[jsfisher]

Now that dihydrino can be produced in far greater amounts

Greater than nothing? Not likely.

...it will be further characterized in its bulk properties as are other compounds. Much more difficult but doable. It won't be a greenhouse gas though because (being diatomic) it is linear. However unlike hydrogen gas that can get ionized up in the atmosphere and - due to its light mass - is easily accelerated to escape velocity by the earth's magnetic field, dihydrino gas I suspect will linger more in the upper atmosphere.

Is that you or Mills making these things up? I would think the credit would go to Mills since he is the well-established liar.

 

[JeanTate]

To me the findings are mixed but have of course tended to dark matter having minimal interaction with itself and baryonic matter. Very recently that view is starting to change towards more interaction.

My hilite.

And your evidence for this is, what, exactly?

I recommend that you study the topic a bit more ... you may find that "very recently" is a highly relative term.