Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[JeanTate]

Thanks.

Please see Appendix I of the GUTCP. Per Haus's derivation, the electric field E perpendicular to the current field J is found from analysis of the space time Fourier components in (k, omega) space. Haus shows that radiation in the perpendicular requires components of J(omega/c * n, omega). Mills extends this analysis to the bound electron and the orbitsphere and shows the condition under which radiation is not allowed.

In case of the excited state, a simplified explanation is provided starting on page 28 of the GUTCP of how the internal electric field leads to instability. In equation I.113, the (1 + 1/n) factor multiplying the spherical harmonic term arises from the trapped photon in the excited electron. With n = 2, 3, 4 . . . of the excited states, a fractional charge is felt by the electron. This creates a radial doublet function, which as a result (see the discussion starting around equation 2.30) creates components in the Fourier transform that lead to radiation.

My hilite.

And you know that these derivations (etc) are rigorous because:
a) you personally checked them out
b) you asked someone you know is unaffiliated with Mills et al. and who you independently know has deep knowledge and experience
c) you trust Mills implicitly (i.e. you never consider independent checking to be relevant)
d) something else?


Re this: "the (1 + 1/n) factor multiplying the spherical harmonic term arises from the trapped photon in the excited electron"

How does a free electron know how many transitions it will undergo, before it reaches the ground state? As I'm sure you know, an electron may "jump" directly to the ground state, or undergo potentially a (countable) infinite number of jumps (a cascade). As each transition results in the emission of a photon, the free electron must have from one to a (countable) infinite number of "trapped photons", right?

 

[Matthew Cline]

The excited electron possesses a trapped photon

So when an excited electron returns to the ground state, it doesn't create a new photon but rather releases the trapped photon? And when photon hitting a hydrogen atom puts it into an excited state the photon doesn't cease existing, but rather is trapped?

If so, what happens when a sufficiently energetic photon ionizes a hydrogen atom? Does the free electron now somehow have a photon trapped within it? Or in the case of ionization does the photon actually vanish, while it doesn't vanish when merely exciting an atom?

 

[Darat]

So when an excited electron returns to the ground state, it doesn't create a new photon but rather releases the trapped photon? And when photon hitting a hydrogen atom puts it into an excited state the photon doesn't cease existing, but rather is trapped?



If so, what happens when a sufficiently energetic photon ionizes a hydrogen atom? Does the free electron now somehow have a photon trapped within it? Or in the case of ionization does the photon actually vanish, while it doesn't vanish when merely exciting an atom?

A pixie appears and will tidy-up the mess you've created.

This I know to be true because I read it on the Internet. (Can provide independent validation if anyone wants it.)

 

[8enotto]

I took some time to watch some YouTube videosMIlls published. On the obvious place one expects to find physicists publishing new finds utterly mystical to non physicists.

Watch Gates or Jobs launch a new Apple product or Elon Musk on stage pedalling gtheir stuff and it is the same show. Mr. Mills had attracted a sea of nice suits in a very comfortable auditorium and spoke of very cheap completely non polluting renewable energy avoiding every pitfall of current ecological methods.

A juicy carrot indeed.

The glimpses of the equipment and the team looked all science like and lots of big words were spoken. .

All the same Ingredients of David Wolf selling the Nutribullet at 3am on my tv.
The proper place with all the rights props on stage.

Talk all the buzzwords and make a good show but it doesn't mean much until it works.

 

[optiongeek]

So when an excited electron returns to the ground state, it doesn't create a new photon but rather releases the trapped photon? And when photon hitting a hydrogen atom puts it into an excited state the photon doesn't cease existing, but rather is trapped?

If so, what happens when a sufficiently energetic photon ionizes a hydrogen atom? Does the free electron now somehow have a photon trapped within it? Or in the case of ionization does the photon actually vanish, while it doesn't vanish when merely exciting an atom?

Yes, the GUTCP equations treat the bound electron as a resonator cavity that traps a photon, which maintains a distinct wave form within the orbitsphere. The photon's field partially shields the electron from the central electric force from the proton. This causes the excited state electron's radius to increase and feel a "fractional" charge. And I explained earlier, the fractional charge creates a radial doublet in the spacetime Fourier from which instability to photonic radiation arises.

Conversely, after the hydrino transaction in which n x 27.2eV is non-photonically transferred to the catalyst, this creates an energy hole that also behaves like a trapped photon. Only in this case, the trapped photon now increases the net charge perceived by the bound electron and therefore reducing the electron's radius. What's more, it increases the charge in integers - no fractional charges to create the radial doublet function. Thus, the ground state and all hydrino states are stable to radiation, while excited states are unstable.

 

[Myriad]

Yes, the GUTCP equations treat the bound electron as a resonator cavity that traps a photon, which maintains a distinct wave form within the orbitsphere. The photon's field partially shields the electron from the central electric force from the proton. This causes the excited state electron's radius to increase and feel a "fractional" charge. And I explained earlier, the fractional charge creates a radial doublet in the spacetime Fourier from which instability to photonic radiation arises.

Conversely, after the hydrino transaction in which n x 27.2eV is non-photonically transferred to the catalyst, this creates an energy hole that also behaves like a trapped photon. Only in this case, the trapped photon now increases the net charge perceived by the bound electron and therefore reducing the electron's radius. What's more, it increases the charge in integers - no fractional charges to create the radial doublet function. Thus, the ground state and all hydrino states are stable to radiation, while excited states are unstable.

As entertaining as Mills's physics fanfic is, I doubt that's what his investors are paying him for. Any chance of Brilliant Light Power producing any actual, you know, power, anytime soon?

A world in deepening energy and environmental crisis is waiting.

 

[optiongeek]

Thanks.

Re this: "the (1 + 1/n) factor multiplying the spherical harmonic term arises from the trapped photon in the excited electron"

How does a free electron know how many transitions it will undergo, before it reaches the ground state? As I'm sure you know, an electron may "jump" directly to the ground state, or undergo potentially a (countable) infinite number of jumps (a cascade). As each transition results in the emission of a photon, the free electron must have from one to a (countable) infinite number of "trapped photons", right?

Not sure I fully comprehend this question. However, equations for all of the transitions up to n_i <= 20 are provided in the tables 2.4 - 2.18, as well as a description of the Stark effect, excited state lifetimes and line intensities, Lamb shift, etc., etc. If there's something about the excited states for which a classical description isn't provided in Chap 2, can you explain what that is?

 

[bruto]

As entertaining as Mills's physics fanfic is, I doubt that's what his investors are paying him for. Any chance of Brilliant Light Power producing any actual, you know, power, anytime soon?

A world in deepening energy and environmental crisis is waiting.

I think you'd better bundle up.

 

[LTC8K6]

As entertaining as Mills's physics fanfic is, I doubt that's what his investors are paying him for. Any chance of Brilliant Light Power producing any actual, you know, power, anytime soon?

A world in deepening energy and environmental crisis is waiting.

Hydrinos might be bad for us and the planet.

They might have bad effects on various materials such as with hydrogen embrittlement, or with oxidation, or who knows what.

No testing whatsoever has been done on them to see what effects they might have on living things, materials, the environment, atmosphere, etc.

 

[LTC8K6]

No studies have been done to see what effect an operating Sun Cell might have, either.

Does it emit anything harmful? Anything that might degrade materials?

Is it set up to fail in a safe manner?

If I'm going to have a literal "sun room", I hope it's very safe.

But of course none of this actually exists.

 

[8enotto]

Markie says it's too early to get certs for that stuff
He also failed to mention anything more about the DoD visit recently.

I do wonder why such marvelous technology lacks in such basic safety checks.

 

[The Man]

Simply because it is so...


[Billy Crystal as Fernando Lamas]
Mahvelous
[/Billy Crystal as Fernando Lamas]


In one video they are doing a test right behind someone working. Who looks over as they start turning the lights out on him. In other there seems to be at least some protective shielding between the camera and the test.

To paraphrase Patrick McGoohan as Edward Longshanks in "Braveheart".

"Cameras cost money. The dead cost nothing."

 

[optiongeek]

Hydrinos might be bad for us and the planet.

They might have bad effects on various materials such as with hydrogen embrittlement, or with oxidation, or who knows what.

No testing whatsoever has been done on them to see what effects they might have on living things, materials, the environment, atmosphere, etc.

The H -> H[1/4] hydrino reaction produces harmful EUV and soft X-ray radiation. However, these wavelengths get absorbed within 1mm or so of any type of atmosphere and aren't energetic enough to create any kind of radioactive by-products. As long as the reactor vessel isn't breached, then the reaction is very safe. The only waste product is dihydrino gas, which is difficult to contain, lighter than air and super stable. It will simply float away into space. The reaction itself is self limiting in the event of a reactor failure. Starving the reaction of source hydrogen fuel or suppressing the arc current will snuff out the reaction. The reaction has been run for many years in Mills lab. With the exception of wrecking the occasional heavy Molybdenum container nothing that would indicate a health hazard has been observed.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

The only waste product is dihydrino gas, which is difficult to contain, lighter than air and super stable. It will simply float away into space.

Wait wait. I asked Markie about this before. He never answered because he knows it's a gottcha question. If hydrinos are dark matter, then what makes it buoyant or float? What makes it obey fick's laws? Lacking any buoyancy it will sink to the center of the gravity well. You know what happens when you concentrate hydrinos at the center of a deep gravity well? You guys risking harming the entire planet with your evil Dr. No experiments?

The reaction itself is self limiting in the event of a reactor failure. Starving the reaction of source hydrogen fuel or suppressing the arc current will snuff out the reaction.

Yes we already know that this really is nothing more than a glorified misuse of a welding machine. Turn off the current and nothing happens. D'oh

The reaction has been run for many years in Mills lab. With the exception of wrecking the occasional heavy Molybdenum container nothing that would indicate a health hazard has been observed.

Neither has any hydrinos been observed.

 

[Matthew Cline]

The only waste product is dihydrino gas, which is difficult to contain, lighter than air and super stable. It will simply float away into space.

Then how has Mills made the various hydrino compounds he's claimed to have made?

 

[Matthew Cline]

Wait wait. I asked Markie about this before. He never answered because he knows it's a gottcha question. If hydrinos are dark matter, then what makes it buoyant or float?

I think on this one thing I'd cut them some slack: Mills et al is clearly not using the term "dark matter" in the very specific sense of "matter which doesn't react to electromagnetism", but in the more general sense of "matter which makes up the 85% of the Universe's mass which isn't directly observable". If one wants to claim that this "missing mass" isn't weakly interacting massive particles nor gravitationally-interacting massive particles, but is rather made up of baryonic matter which only absorbs or emits photons when its rotational or vibrational (rovibrational) states change, it would make sense to call it "dark matter".

 

[The Man]

The H -> H[1/4] hydrino reaction produces harmful EUV and soft X-ray radiation. However, these wavelengths get absorbed within 1mm or so of any type of atmosphere and aren't energetic enough to create any kind of radioactive by-products. As long as the reactor vessel isn't breached, then the reaction is very safe. The only waste product is dihydrino gas, which is difficult to contain, lighter than air and super stable. It will simply float away into space. The reaction itself is self limiting in the event of a reactor failure. Starving the reaction of source hydrogen fuel or suppressing the arc current will snuff out the reaction. The reaction has been run for many years in Mills lab. With the exception of wrecking the occasional heavy Molybdenum container nothing that would indicate a health hazard has been observed.

Who's actually looking? Do workers sign some kind of informed consent agreement that they are participating in some kind of heath study? PCBs were produced for 50 years before they were banned due to their health risks.

If not all hydrino reactions require an explicit "arc current" then the lack of such can't be a limiting factor.

Hydrogen cyanide is "lighter than air" yet still dangerous.

Since you assert "As long as the reactor vessel isn't breached, then the reaction is very safe." What safety interlocks are present to detect such a breach?

The hydrinos are safe because they are just so friken Mahvelous claims don't cut it even as just poor fan fiction.

 

[Red Baron Farms]

I think on this one thing I'd cut them some slack: Mills et al is clearly not using the term "dark matter" in the very specific sense of "matter which doesn't react to electromagnetism", but in the more general sense of "matter which makes up the 85% of the Universe's mass which isn't directly observable". If one wants to claim that this "missing mass" isn't weakly interacting massive particles nor gravitationally-interacting massive particles, but is rather made up of baryonic matter which only absorbs or emits photons when its rotational or vibrational (rovibrational) states change, it would make sense to call it "dark matter".

I am not inclined to cut them any slack at all here. Either it is dark matter and has the characteristics we already know about dark matter, or it isn't dark matter and they need to stop trying to misuse the term in a sort of technobabble designed to obfuscate.

My feelings about this particular part of Mills scam can be best described by the saying, "The Emperor has no clothes" ie "Mills has no hydrinos".

Hydrinos are not some mysterious invisible particle only super smart people understanding Mill's new grand unified theory of everything can see. Rather they don't exist at all!

 

[The Man]

I think on this one thing I'd cut them some slack: Mills et al is clearly not using the term "dark matter" in the very specific sense of "matter which doesn't react to electromagnetism", but in the more general sense of "matter which makes up the 85% of the Universe's mass which isn't directly observable". If one wants to claim that this "missing mass" isn't weakly interacting massive particles nor gravitationally-interacting massive particles, but is rather made up of baryonic matter which only absorbs or emits photons when its rotational or vibrational (rovibrational) states change, it would make sense to call it "dark matter".

I am not inclined to cut them any slack at all here. Either it is dark matter and has the characteristics we already know about dark matter, or it isn't dark matter and they need to stop trying to misuse the term in a sort of technobabble designed to obfuscate.

Like most claims about hydrinos they tend to go back a forth depending on what issues the proponent is attempting to address. They are stable and safe when asked about safety yet as you note, Matthew Cline, are also purported to produce novel compounds with amazing qualities. Has 'hydrinos cure cancer' been touted yet? I recall something about Mills and some cancer cure but don't recall if it was related to his hydrino claims.


Being self-contradictory is just being a slacker and not commensurate with being given any additional slack.

 

[jonesdave116]

I think on this one thing I'd cut them some slack: Mills et al is clearly not using the term "dark matter" in the very specific sense of "matter which doesn't react to electromagnetism", but in the more general sense of "matter which makes up the 85% of the Universe's mass which isn't directly observable". If one wants to claim that this "missing mass" isn't weakly interacting massive particles nor gravitationally-interacting massive particles, but is rather made up of baryonic matter which only absorbs or emits photons when its rotational or vibrational (rovibrational) states change, it would make sense to call it "dark matter".

However, if there are a shed load of these hydrinos lurking around, then surely we should be able to predict what happens when they are excited from their below ground state to a higher level, and then de-excite back to their below ground state. This should emit photons at a predictable level. This is not seen. Or is all the below ground state H hiding in places where EM radiation can't affect it? Is it immune to the processes that cause the Lyman-alpha forest, for example? I defer to the Nobel laureate, Phillip Anderson;

If you could **** around with the hydrogen atom, you could **** around with the energy process in the sun. You could **** around with life itself. Everything we know about everything would be a bunch of nonsense. That's why I'm so sure that it's a fraud.