Mueller Investigation pt4

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Foolmewunz said:
I can't wait to hear the sycophants' spin this one. "See? The Russians didn't want me to win because I would go easy on them but because I was the worst possible choice for America!"
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Isn't that the same thing?


Skeptic Ginger said:
Good. It all needs to come out, from the NY bureau to Russia collusion.
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I'm not so sure.

If this stuff can be released to the public in a way that does not compromise any of the multiple investigations into Trump's criminal enterprises, then sure, otherwise, they need to remain secret for now. Prosecutors generally do not like to give potential targets a heads-up as to what they are doing, unless they think it might benefit their investigation in some way e.g., putting the wind up a potential witness who might know something.

It is for this reason that, in recent interviews, both Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff made it clear that any House investigation into Russia and Trump will be undertaken in consultation with the SCO to make sure that they don't tread on toes and compromise that investigation.
 
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smartcooky said:
Isn't that the same thing?




I'm not so sure.

If this stuff can be released to the public in a way that does not compromise any of the multiple investigations into Trump's criminal enterprises, then sure, otherwise, they need to remain secret for now. Prosecutors generally do not like to give potential targets a head's up as to what they are doing, unless they think it might benefit their investigation in some way e.g., putting the wind up a potential witness who might know something.

It is for this reason that, in recent interviews, both Jerry Nadler and Adam Schiff made it clear that any House investigation into Russia and Trump will be undertaken in consultation with the SCO to make sure that they don't tread on toes and compromise that investigation.
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No one needs to release any espionage secrets to expose the ******** that really did do a version of the angry HDS employees in the NY office.

If that's not what happened then fine, let's hear that evidence.
 
smartcooky said:
Isn't that the same thing?




I'm not so sure.

If this stuff can be released to the public in a way that does not compromise any of the multiple investigations into Trump's criminal enterprises, then sure, otherwise, they need to remain secret for now. Prosecutors generally do not like to give potential targets a heads-up as to what they are doing, unless they think it might benefit their investigation in some way e.g., putting the wind up a potential witness who might know something.

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“The FBI legally has to give us these records or explain why they cannot,” CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said. “It is important for the public to have all of the information that the law requires be made available.”
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Note highlighted. I think that covers your objections.

Also, they can and do cheerfully redact things they believe could damage ongoing investigations (or stuff that might be embarrassing :rolleyes:).

It isn't that they didn't turn over everything, it's that they didn't respond at all.
 
quadraginta said:
As any defense lawyer will tell you, all it proves is "that a mobile phone traced to Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area".

It doesn't prove that Cohen was in possession of the phone.

It certainly adds to the list of "things that make you go 'hmm'", though.
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Oh, I don't think anybody is suggesting it's conclusive proof. But there was intelligence suggesting he was there at that time. He denied it, although what contemporary evidence there was suggested he could have been. Now there is evidence that corroborates the original intelligence.

It's not a smocking gun, but nothing in this whole investigation will be. It's going to be constructed of lots and lots of little bits and pieces which all join up. This is one of those.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/Mimirocah1/status/1078327061234794501
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As anyone in law enforcement will tell you - cell data like this doesn’t lie. So, if sources are correct this is hugely significant.
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It's NOT as accurate as law enforcement says it is. As in how close they can pinpoint a person's location. That said, depending on the cell tower type and a few other variables the location of a phone can be pinpointed anywhere from 45 mile range down to a couple of hundred feet or if there are GPS tags to 5 feet.

Still, I'm inclined to believe that Cohen wasn't there as I don't see why he would continue to deny going to Prague at this point. He's about to go to prison for 3 years. This would be the kind of info that could reduce his sentence if he could prove it.
 
Interesting. The Prague meeting is one thing that Cohen has always denied, in public at least. Maybe Cohen told the Mueller team about the meeting and they asked him not to change his story for some reason, like not flagging others that the meeting was verified.
 
acbytesla said:
It's NOT as accurate as law enforcement says it is. As in how close they can pinpoint a person's location. That said, depending on the cell tower type and a few other variables the location of a phone can be pinpointed anywhere from 45 mile range down to a couple of hundred feet or if there are GPS tags to 5 feet.
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I don't think we're talking about that level of precision. We're talking about a city he claimed he wasn't in.

I think that cell phone tower data has sufficient resolution to pin down what city the phone is in.


Still, I'm inclined to believe that Cohen wasn't there as I don't see why he would continue to deny going to Prague at this point. He's about to go to prison for 3 years. This would be the kind of info that could reduce his sentence if he could prove it.
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It's hard to say why he would lie about it. Maybe there's something he's more scared of that Mueller.
 
acbytesla said:
It's NOT as accurate as law enforcement says it is. As in how close they can pinpoint a person's location. That said, depending on the cell tower type and a few other variables the location of a phone can be pinpointed anywhere from 45 mile range down to a couple of hundred feet or if there are GPS tags to 5 feet.
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It's literally just "Prague" that's being claimed. This is in contrast to Cohen's claims not to even be in the country.

Still, I'm inclined to believe that Cohen wasn't there as I don't see why he would continue to deny going to Prague at this point. He's about to go to prison for 3 years. This would be the kind of info that could reduce his sentence if he could prove it.
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We have no idea what Cohen has told Mueller. I've not seen him mention this story publicly since it first broke.
 
quadraginta said:
I don't think we're talking about that level of precision. We're talking about a city he claimed he wasn't in.

I think that cell phone tower data has sufficient resolution to pin down what city the phone is in.
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Cellphones operate in the GHz range - that is line of sight only, with a range of only a few miles - that is why cities are peppered with celltowers; to get the coverage

If your phone is pinging a particular tower, then you are within line of sight radio range of that tower.

If that tower is in Prague, you sure as hell aren't in Kansas any more.

EDIT: if this cellphone ping thing is confirmed, than that is another of the reports in the Steele Dossier confirmed.
 
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smartcooky said:
Cellphones operate in the GHz range - that is line of sight only, with a range of only a few miles - that is why cities are peppered with celltowers; to get the coverage

If your phone is pinging a particular tower, then you are within line of sight radio range of that tower.

If that tower is in Prague, you sure as hell aren't in Kansas any more.

EDIT: if this cellphone ping thing is confirmed, than that is another of the reports in the Steele Dossier confirmed.
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My career was in selling communications equipment. Yes, you're right. Cellular communications operate on LOS to specific cellular antennas as does all RF although signal reflection can and sometimes does come into play. The distance from the antennas varies by the power of the antennas and that varies by both geography and population density. If you're in nowhere Kansas, the antennas are powerful and your phone could be connect to an antenna as far as 45 miles away. If you're in Manhattan, your phone is likely connecting to a microcell low power antenna a hundred to a couple of hundred feet away.

My point wasn't that the cellular towers couldn't be used to pinpoint someone's relative whereabouts. Just that the precision has been often exaggerated. In fact, there have been miscarriages of justice based on it.

Now, certainly, if there is really cellular data showing Cohen's phone in Prague, it is highly unlikely that Cohen wasn't there.
 
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acbytesla said:
My career was in selling communications equipment. Yes, you're right. Cellular communications operate on LOS to specific cellular antennas as does all RF although signal reflection can and sometimes does come into play. The distance from the antennas varies by the power of the antennas and that varies by both geography and population density. If you're in nowhere Kansas, the antennas are powerful and your phone could be connect to an antenna as far as 45 miles away. If you're in Manhattan, your phone is likely connecting to a microcell low power antenna a hundred to a couple of hundred feet away.

My point wasn't that the cellular towers couldn't be used to pinpoint someone's relative whereabouts. Just that the precision has been often exaggerated. In fact, there have been miscarriages of justice based on it.

Now, certainly, if there is really cellular data showing Cohen's phone in Prague, it is highly unlikely that Cohen wasn't there.
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Which seemed unnecessary, since there weren't any claims of his location being pinpointed, aside from being in Prague, that is.
 
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