LeBron James talks like a racist

PhantomWolf said:
Not if it's actually true.



That's because it's not actually true, so it becomes an attack on Jews rather than an expression of truth.
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But the person saying it believes it to be true.

Your logic is like saying Christians are liars because God isn't real and they say he is. It ignores the context of belief.
 
Regarding the linked article and ignoring the posts in this thread, I think James makes valid points about the NFL. Kapernick has been blacklisted by the team owners, who seek to dictate control over aspects of the players that have nothing to do with football. Was his comment about the NFL owners racist? Maybe so, but justified in context.
 
Steve said:
Regarding the linked article and ignoring the posts in this thread, I think James makes valid points about the NFL. Kapernick has been blacklisted by the team owners, who seek to dictate control over aspects of the players that have nothing to do with football. Was his comment about the NFL owners racist? Maybe so, but justified in context.
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Aspects that have everything to do with football. Pro sports are entertainment. The public personas of professional entertainers have always been an important part of the business of entertainment.

And we only have to look outside of the entertainment industry to see a double standard in your idea.
 
Giordano said:
This is exactly my reaction. Seeing players earning big money really upsets some people, whereas seeing the owners, or the CEOs of failing companies, etc., doing so does not cause nearly such a reaction.

Such salaries for players are portrayed by these folks as "undeserved." I guess seeing players make out well causes even dyed-in-the-wool conservatives to forget completely their commitment to the free market. Why do the top players earn multi-million of dollars during the (often brief) years they can play? Because the top players bring in more than enough money in turn to make substantial profits for the owners. Because they are worth it in a simple economic sense! People pay to see them. That's the American way, right? You can't be earning too much if that is what you are worth in a competitive market to the organization paying you!

Even more so - why would anyone earning a substantial of money upset others? Especially people who did not come from a life of privilege and family wealth. Good for them! And no skin off my teeth, unless it results in me being priced out of tickets. Is that the problem? Frankly I doubt ticket prices would drop much if we undercut play salaries. And aren't most of us watching on TV? So is it jealousy or a feeling that the common people (perhaps certain common people in particular) need to be "kept in their places?" I wonder...
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The thread is about multimillion dollar celebrities complaining about being treated like a slave. If the burden is too much he can do one thing that other slaves could not do and that is find another job/employer. If multi million dollar CEOs start whinging about being slaves, or cry about comparing their jobs to being forced to whore themselves out on a nightly basis, ect. let me know and I will call out their BS as well. Forgive me for reserving my sympathetic outrage for actual victims of slavery.
 
Steve said:
Regarding the linked article and ignoring the posts in this thread, I think James makes valid points about the NFL. Kapernick has been blacklisted by the team owners, who seek to dictate control over aspects of the players that have nothing to do with football. Was his comment about the NFL owners racist? Maybe so, but justified in context.
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Oh no! and now they are going to give him 50 lashes, stick him in the hotbox for a day and send him out in the fields while they resell his wife and children! If only he had a way to escape and start a new life! Thank god us mere mortals with finite resources and below average wage jobs get to lord it over him.
 
johnny karate said:
Neither is LeBron.
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Oh no he is just claiming that following your employers job related orders for an agreed amount of compensation is exhibiting a slave mentality. Why can't the employees tell the owner how to run his business? Stupid old white slave driver mentality. Pays people millions to play with a ball for a few months of the year. Tells his employees what he expects, Oh The humanity!
 
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theprestige said:
I'm more intrigued by James' idea that having a job is like being a slave.
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Professional sports like the NFL is different from other professions.

Imagine if, after graduating from high school or college with a degree in, say computer science, that companies could "draft" you and then you would have to go work for that company and no other, or find another field of work besides what you studied in college. And you couldn't go to work for any other company until you put in 6 years at the company that "drafted" you, unless they "release" you or trade you to another company (which you have no say in).

So it's not just a normal job.
 
Puppycow said:
Professional sports like the NFL is different from other professions.



Imagine if, after graduating from high school or college with a degree in, say computer science, that companies could "draft" you and then you would have to go work for that company and no other, or find another field of work besides what you studied in college. And you couldn't go to work for any other company until you put in 6 years at the company that "drafted" you, unless they "release" you or trade you to another company (which you have no say in).



So it's not just a normal job.
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What does everyone else do who graduates from college with a degree and then either cannot find a job in their chosen field, or suddenly realise that they do not actually like their job in their chosen field? Especially when everyone else is not being paid millions of dollars to suffer through a job.
 
How little does one have to be earning before one is allowed to voice concerns over the contracts offered by a monopoly?
 
Professional sports are weird. Owners very much so have a cartel and league rules have a tremendous affect on the athletes. The players also have very strong unions and have been very effective in the past for advocacy.

Things like the draft and salary caps have negative impacts on players, especially young players, but also help keep leagues competitive by allowing marginal teams with small budgets to keep up with the bigger teams. The interests of an open, fair job market are a lower priority to keeping the league itself diverse, competitive, and interesting.

I find it hard to get animated by the plight of the wealthy athlete. They have a strong union, popular support, and all the money needed to hire lawyers to forcefully advocate for their best interests. These guys aren't exactly the downtrodden working man.

The real scandals of exploiting players occurs at the college level, where student athletes are explicitly forbidden from enjoying any part of the enormous sums of money generated by their efforts.
 
3point14 said:
How little does one have to be earning before one is allowed to voice concerns over the contracts offered by a monopoly?
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One doesn't have to be earning anything at all.

Indeed, if one is concerned about such things, not contracting with a monopoly, nor earning their money, is a perfectly cromulent option. An option slaves didn't have.
 
William Parcher said:
To me this sounds like a racist statement. Does this represent acceptable everyday racism against white people?
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Yes, and yes. It is racism. I think he's just playing to the crowd.

I don't know how society will react to what James just said, but I can imagine that if a white person said a comparable thing about black people there would be widespread outrage at the discovery of yet another white racist. I can also imagine serious consequences if something like that happened.
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And another "yes" for the hat-trick!
 
Hungry81 said:
Oh no he is just claiming that following your employers job related orders for an agreed amount of compensation is exhibiting a slave mentality. Why can't the employees tell the owner how to run his business? Stupid old white slave driver mentality. Pays people millions to play with a ball for a few months of the year. Tells his employees what he expects, Oh The humanity!
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Am I the only one who finds it laughably ironic that in a thread criticizing someone's over-the-top hyperbole, his critics resort to using over-the-top hyperbole?

*reads through thread*

Apparently, yes.
 
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