Cont: Brilliant Light Power Going To Market - Free Energy Generator Part 3

[The Man]

It's not fusion but a purported below ground state transition of hydrogen. However, the engineering concerns of containing high energy plasma that you note would also still be of concern.

Much like the safety of just the hydrinos themselves there doesn't seems to be much concern about possible runaway reaction conditions.

ETA: Oh Merry Christmas and welcome to the forum 8enotto.

 

[8enotto]

Thank you for helping me with this concept. Advanced science to me has always been at the applied level.

Yes. It struck me as any DoD involvement would be based on safety concerns. Is he creating a type of weapons grade device that if misused or bumbled with poor materials or reactive substances could prove to be deadly or long term contamination to an area.

If so this device if by some miracle works could even be allowed in the hands of the public.

 

[JeanTate]

I think a daily countdown is warranted. So I'm starting one.

Some time ago markie promised committed hinted that February, 2019 would see BLP ship five or more working prototype hydrino-based generators to independent labs for testing (OK, markie was a tad less specific than this, which seems out of character given how assured he has come across on things like hydrinos being dark matter).

With some leeway, precision-wise, that means we have to wait just 40 to 70 days. Which I'll write as 40 (70).

As of today, we have to wait a mere 39 (69) days before the world has concrete, independent, evidence of the existence of a hydrino-powered generator.

In these daily countdown posts, I'll take the opportunity to reflect on the last 30 years of promises, and on why Mills is almost certainly not right, from many perspectives.

Today: if Mills were right, China would not have to import such vast amounts of oil (and the DPRK - North Korea - would not need to spend so much effort on getting around sanctions, to import oil). For at least the last decade.

Why?

Because - according to markie et al. - Mills' publications (the BBofBB, the many papers, etc) hide nothing. China has an extraordinarily strong incentive to find sources of energy other than oil and coal (likewise North Korea). They also have a very large number of well-qualified scientists, engineers, etc, and have had so for at least a decade. Did none of them ever read any of Mills' works? Did none of them ever wonder if there was at least some grain of reality there? And so on. The situation in North Korea is different, for example, the incentive to find alternative sources of energy is likely far stronger. However, the result is pretty much the same: if there were some reality to Mills' fantasies, either China or North Korea (or both) would not, today, need so much in the way of oil imports.

 

[Darat]

It's not fusion but a purported below ground state transition of hydrogen. However, the engineering concerns of containing high energy plasma that you note would also still be of concern.

Much like the safety of just the hydrinos themselves there doesn't seems to be much concern about possible runaway reaction conditions.

ETA: Oh Merry Christmas and welcome to the forum 8enotto.

Well it's not fusion... Now.. The history of his scam is however quite clear, it arose from the false start of "cold fusion", he was just lucky his wrinkle on it could be repurposed.

 

[The Man]

Thank you for helping me with this concept. Advanced science to me has always been at the applied level.

Yes. It struck me as any DoD involvement would be based on safety concerns. Is he creating a type of weapons grade device that if misused or bumbled with poor materials or reactive substances could prove to be deadly or long term contamination to an area.

Apparently they (Mills et al) don't seem to care as no one seems to be actually trying to find out.

If so this device if by some miracle works could even be allowed in the hands of the public.

As noted upthread some time ago, not likely, as again they don't seem to be actually moving in that direction (safety and compliance testing and such).

 

[The Man]

Well it's not fusion... Now.. The history of his scam is however quite clear, it arose from the false start of "cold fusion", he was just lucky his wrinkle on it could be repurposed.

Good point, unfortunately I'm not familiar enough with the history to say as to whether it was intended as just an element of a "cold fusion" process or originally simply as an alternate explanation for the purported "cold fusion" results.

 

[LongFuzzy]

Because - according to markie et al. - Mills' publications (the BBofBB, the many papers, etc) hide nothing. China has an extraordinarily strong incentive to find sources of energy other than oil and coal (likewise North Korea). They also have a very large number of well-qualified scientists, engineers, etc, and have had so for at least a decade. Did none of them ever read any of Mills' works? Did none of them ever wonder if there was at least some grain of reality there? And so on. The situation in North Korea is different, for example, the incentive to find alternative sources of energy is likely far stronger. However, the result is pretty much the same: if there were some reality to Mills' fantasies, either China or North Korea (or both) would not, today, need so much in the way of oil imports.

Wasn't there some super secret catalyst that you needed to make the whole thing work? Which was secret to make sure nobody could reproduce or steal his 'invention'?

 

[Myriad]

Well, we've been over this before as they wouldn't be using the concentrator portion of the cells they would just be using multi-junction solar cells perhaps with some heat sinks. Which may themselves just be destroyed by radiations "much brighter than sunlight on earth". This is the type of thing that happens when you have people more interested in just buzzwords and catchphrases then either the actual technology or the underlying principles.

They can claim omitting the concentrator portion, but without it, a concentrator solar cell would just be a grid of tiny cells with heat sink material between them. Only the "brighter than sunlight" light that falls directly on the cells would produce power, while all the rest of the light would be heating the heat sink instead of doing anything useful. Put the concentrator back, and the heat sink parts might be able to stay within a survivable temperature, but the now-concentrated "brighter than sunlight" light would be burning holes where the solar cell portions used to be.

Yeah, they're just using terms that sound good but make no sense when examined.

 

[The Man]

They can claim omitting the concentrator portion, but without it, a concentrator solar cell would just be a grid of tiny cells with heat sink material between them. Only the "brighter than sunlight" light that falls directly on the cells would produce power, while all the rest of the light would be heating the heat sink instead of doing anything useful. Put the concentrator back, and the heat sink parts might be able to stay within a survivable temperature, but the now-concentrated "brighter than sunlight" light would be burning holes where the solar cell portions used to be.

Yeah, they're just using terms that sound good but make no sense when examined.

Exactly, if this were actually something someone was designing and engineering they would just refer to the multi-junction cells and arrange them in close proximity on whatever substrate (heatsink, water jacket, liquid nitrogen cooled frame, ect...) suited the purpose. Instead it seems someone just read how efficient concentrator solar cell are and just went with just that name. Never bothering to find out how they work, what makes them efficient or how some aspects of their structure would be contraindicated in such an application.

As always, there also the Nigerian 419 scam angle. Being so far removed from reasonable application may tend to put off knowledgeable investors that would ask the wrong questions.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

It struck me as any DoD involvement would be based on safety concerns.

That's a point. No word from either camp as to what came of the DoD visit earlier this month, despite supporters claiming that this was going to see Mills finally vindicated.

I wonder if that's the kind of thing that could be found out using a FOIA request?

 

[optiongeek]

Wasn't there some super secret catalyst that you needed to make the whole thing work? Which was secret to make sure nobody could reproduce or steal his 'invention'?

The only catalyst of interest for the past few years has been HOH - nascent water (i.e. lacking Hydrogen bonds). At various times, some of the reaction inputs have been considered non public information because they were useful for providing the trace amounts of oxygen required to form the HOH catalyst in the extreme environments in which the reaction have been operating. As the reactor design has evolved from extreme high temps (liquid silver) to moderate temps (liquid gallium), the nature of the input providing the trace oxygen seems to have evolved as well. At the moment, it seems to be some sort of gallium oxide. As someone focused on maintaining IP rights to his process, Mills seems to be strategic about what parts of his process he makes public, while widely disseminating the underlying science.

 

[MEequalsIxR]

It won't be even close to free, and the vast majority of people are not accredited to invest.

What does it take to become an accredited investor and what does the investor get?

 

[optiongeek]

What does it take to become an accredited investor and what does the investor get?

Per SEC Rule 501, an accredited investor must have at least $1 milliion in investible assets. As an investor, you participate in a share offering, which may include access to non public information disclosed under an NDA.

 

[gabeygoat]

WHAT?!? You mean to say I'm NOT going to find a BLP "Hydrino" powered energy reactor under my tree again this year?

Jeebus, man, all you have to do is wait a couple of years from a couple of years from a couple of years from now, etc

 

[gabeygoat]

The concentrator photovoltaic application is here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nqBPc4HL64
As you can see the plasma itself is beyond white hot and much brighter than sunlight on the earth

C’mon, man. This is what bugs me about woo. You seem fairly intelligent, but you post stuff like this. You know it’s bs, but you’re too committed

 

[MEequalsIxR]

Per SEC Rule 501, an accredited investor must have at least $1 milliion in investible assets. As an investor, you participate in a share offering, which may include access to non public information disclosed under an NDA.

I wanted to see how markie would respond. In other words you're looking for someone who's willing to gamble a million (or more), wears a Trump 2020 T shirt and believes most scientists are stupid or corrupt. No I wouldn't be an accredited investor.

I don't have a series 7 or even work in the industry but I believe most of the accrediting factors listed are against SEC rules especially the non public information part.

 

[Matthew Cline]

Maybe this has been addressed before, but how does Mills deal with the polar nature of the water molecule? To match up with observations, wouldn't the charge distribution of the orbitspheres of the hydrogen atoms have to be greater near the oxygen atom and less away from the oxygen atom? If so:

1. With the charge distribution of the orbitsphere being non-uniform and non-symmetrical, what would be keeping the proton at the center?
2. With the charge distribution being non-uniform and non-symmetrical the shell theorem would no longer apply. Isn't the shell theorem supposed to be why the different points of the orbitsphere don't interact with each other? Or no, wait, free electrons are supposed to be disks, to which the shell theorem doesn't apply, yet the points on the disk also don't self interact?

 

[Matthew Cline]

As you can see the plasma itself is beyond white hot

Wait, I thought that hydrino formation wasn't supposed to take place in plasma because it requires neutral hydrogen atoms. Now plasma isn't necessarily completely ionized, but if plasma which is "beyond white hot" isn't so highly ionized as to prevent hydrino formation, why isn't the surface of the sun also a place where hydrinos would form?

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Wait, I thought that hydrino formation wasn't supposed to take place in plasma because it requires neutral hydrogen atoms. Now plasma isn't necessarily completely ionized, but if plasma which is "beyond white hot" isn't so highly ionized as to prevent hydrino formation, why isn't the surface of the sun also a place where hydrinos would form?

The claim is that it is. The corona is very hot, and the claim is that that's due to hydrinos, rather than the commonly accepted explanations of soundwaves caused by the photosphere, or the interaction between the magnetic flux and the corona.

 

[halleyscomet]

The claim is that it is. The corona is very hot, and the claim is that that's due to hydrinos, rather than the commonly accepted explanations of soundwaves caused by the photosphere, or the interaction between the magnetic flux and the corona.

Where is that claim made and supported?

I haven’t encountered it outside of the “Hydrinos and the Bible” Creationist book being written. I thought they’d made that up but if Mills made the claim I’d love to direct them to that resource.