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lobosrul5 said:
How do you figure? Was Clinton's impeachment that damaging to the GOP? I don't think so. And it really depends on what comes out during the impeachment proceedings. If there really is a " smoking gun" that he colluded with Putin and the GOP still wont remove him, then I think that's much worse for the Republicans.
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It certainly didnt help the GOP from 1996 to to 2000. The GOP lost seats during that period after winning big time in 1994. But I do think people make huge mistakes comparing these things. For all the hate of Conservative Republicans, people in general liked Bill Clinton with all of his flaws. He was immensely charming and smart. Hillary was probably much smarter than Bill, but she never had that touch with the people and she never would.

When it comes to POTUS, people grotesquely underrate the importance of personality. I'm not saying it's more important than the economy and policy, but I also don't believe it's less important either.

Trump was not liked in 2016, but neither was Hillary. Part of that was the number that the GOP did on Hillary, but some politicians just know how to shake it off better. She never really did.

I like Hillary for so many reasons. But I was always concerned with her charm factor.

I don't think the Dems need a Bobby Kennedy, aka, Beto but the wrong pick could maybe get Trump back in the game. The next election is a long way off, but if Trump had to face reelection tomorrow, most Democrats would crush him like a bug.

But unfortunately, it is not.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Just occurred to me: There's a number of Trump golf courses in Delaware and Maryland, aren't there? So I suspect he is still going to go golfing 36 hours a day, fitting it in between all his "hard work" minutes.
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The weather is not good in Delaware or Maryland right now. So I doubt it. But the man doesn't work.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Just occurred to me: There's a number of Trump golf courses in Delaware and Maryland, aren't there? So I suspect he is still going to go golfing 36 hours a day, fitting it in between all his "hard work" minutes.
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I'm hoping he has a bad bit of mutton and wanders over to the East Colonnade and has a The Shining moment when Melania's blood-red Christmas trees come to life. "No orange in here! Get out, orange person. This portico is for red!!!"
 
So Trump is going to spend a few more days in the swanky hotel called The White House and a few less days in the swanky hotel called Mars a Lago, for neither of which he has to pay. Does he really expect people to feel sorry for him?
 
Pixel42 said:
So Trump is going to spend a few more days in the swanky hotel called The White House and a few less days in the swanky hotel called Mars a Lago, for neither of which he has to pay. Does he really expect people to feel sorry for him?
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Well you see, everyone (except Faux News) is out to get him, the greatest president ever (many people say this, great people), so no wonder he's a little hurt. Poor lil guy.
 
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Aridas said:
It's well worth noting that the Koch Brothers were never pure evil? They've supported a number of worthy causes. That shouldn't be forgotten. That they've also supported a lot of terrible causes and terrible methods to achieve their goals is plenty of good reason to condemn them, but not to condemn everything that they've advocated for.
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acbytesla said:
I agree. The Koch Brothers have financed many fine science documentaries that I love. I know that they have done some good things with their money. Nobody is all bad...although some people come close.
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I am completely unmoved by this line of reasoning. The enormous gobs of money they've made allow them to use a tiny percentage to whitewash their negative (to society) activities. For example, they've been able to buy legislators and policy to reduce emissions from their facilities. They've sponsored university chairs in economics with the restriction that their libertarian ideas are forced into academia.

Imagine if they had paid better wages, offered high quality health care, and otherwise distributed their gains to those who worked to produce those gains how much better off tens of thousands of people would be.

No, I don't buy that, "well, look here at something good" gives them some get-out-of-jail-free card. Nope, I don't buy their whitewashing - at all.
 
Fast Eddie B said:
I’m quite torn on this.

In the 1960’s I was quite anti-war. I was all for ending the Vietnam War and bringing the boys home. 58,000 dead in a foreign land seemed like enough.

Obama campaigned on ending the Mideast wars. I was disappointed that after 8 years we were still bogged down over there. I did not vote for McCain because of a comment that we’d be over there for 100 years if that’s what it took.

So I have to be sure I’m not slamming Trump for something just because he’s Trump.

I’m not convinced that our presence in the Mideast is worth the blood and treasure we’ve invested so far, much less continuing with no end in sight.

So, like I said, conflicted. And ready to listen to arguments from both sides.
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My late $0.o2 I'm not so conflicted. Dump is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons and horribly in the wrong way but the end is right. We've been in Afghanistan for what, 18 years. Opium production continues apace. The government of the country is really the government of Kabul. The Taliban really rules the roost.

We've spent 100s of billions for what? Nothing, as far as I can see. Syria is much the same: What, really, is our national interest, in defeating Asad. Yeah, he's horrible. So's Kim in North Korea. So's MBS in Saudi.

The Middle East is a tar baby. I say let the Arabs piss on each other and keep out troops out of harm's way.

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Trump Tweeted

When President Obama ingloriously fired Jim Mattis, I gave him a second chance. Some thought I shouldn’t, I thought I should. Interesting relationship-but I also gave all of the resources that he never really had. Allies are very important-but not when they take advantage of U.S.
 
alfaniner said:
I'm not going to usurp Captain Swoop's chosen duties, but holy **** the crazy is out tonight with all the new tweets.
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I posted his pronouncements on his lack of knowledge of who McGurk is and what it means for his knowledge of the battle against ISIS over in the 'Trump gives Putin Early Christmas Presents' thread.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweeted

When President Obama ingloriously fired Jim Mattis, I gave him a second chance. Some thought I shouldn’t, I thought I should. Interesting relationship-but I also gave all of the resources that he never really had. Allies are very important-but not when they take advantage of U.S.
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Trump's version of the Rohrschack test: this means whatever makes you think it's not my fault
 
SezMe said:
No, I don't buy that, "well, look here at something good" gives them some get-out-of-jail-free card. Nope, I don't buy their whitewashing - at all.
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Hmm? If I recall correctly, what I said and the agreement dealt more with the fact that the Koch brothers didn't only do and fund bad things. Nothing about a get out of jail free card.

To repeat something you even quoted me saying, though...
That they've also supported a lot of terrible causes and terrible methods to achieve their goals is plenty of good reason to condemn them, but not to condemn everything that they've advocated for.
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SezMe said:
My late $0.o2 I'm not so conflicted. Dump is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons and horribly in the wrong way but the end is right. We've been in Afghanistan for what, 18 years. Opium production continues apace. The government of the country is really the government of Kabul. The Taliban really rules the roost.

We've spent 100s of billions for what? Nothing, as far as I can see. Syria is much the same: What, really, is our national interest, in defeating Asad. Yeah, he's horrible. So's Kim in North Korea. So's MBS in Saudi.

The Middle East is a tar baby. I say let the Arabs piss on each other and keep out troops out of harm's way.

/Rant
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I admit to being a bit conflicted about it being the right thing or not, myself. Trump's reasons and how he's doing it are overtly wrong. That's a very clear fact. What's not so much a given, on the other hand, is more in line with things like the US betraying the Kurds, yet again. I have a problem with leaving the foreigners who risked their lives to help our troops even more vulnerable to local retaliation because of the continuing Republican slow-walking or arbitrarily preventing the fulfillment of promises made to them by the military. ISIS is weakened, but letting off the pressure isn't likely to help end the threat there. As for the Taliban... it'd be great if the side that the US supports didn't have a tendency towards being massively corrupt.

Furthermore, of course, there's the old point that the US has built a quite extensive network of power and that leaving something of a power vacuum in areas that we have been contesting in influence with those quite unfriendly to us is pretty much giving excellent opportunities to those who want to change the state of the world into something that is dramatically less favorable to the US and the ideals that we generally support. Letting Russia pretty much just make Syria into a client state, allowing them much more and easier access to the Mediterranean (and thus much of Europe) is a bad thing, too, especially given their recent notably hostile actions. That something sucks doesn't automatically make other options better, and our continued presence in Afghanistan and Syria is fairly likely to be in the "this really sucks, but it's better than removing them at the present" category.
 
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Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweeted

When President Obama ingloriously fired Jim Mattis, I gave him a second chance. Some thought I shouldn’t, I thought I should. Interesting relationship-but I also gave all of the resources that he never really had. Allies are very important-but not when they take advantage of U.S.
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Please god. Make it stop.
 
Who would have predicted he would thrown Mattis under the bus and blame it on Obama?
 
Aridas said:
I admit to being a bit conflicted about it being the right thing or not, myself. Trump's reasons and how he's doing it are overtly wrong.
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Even if the West shouldn't have been there in the first place (though in the case of Afghanistan, I would argue that originally we should have gone there due to 9/11), we now are, and should not leave totally aruptly leaving our allies in a lurch due to demand by a local tyrant. That will erode US and Western power and influence worldwide, as the Trump administration systematically has done, which is the reason why Russia for example is one of his biggest cheerleaders.
 
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