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I will not be going to Florida because of the Shutdown - Staying in the White House! #MAGA
 
Do you think his paying guests down at the 'Winter Whitehouse' will want a refund?
 
Minoosh said:
I'm not sure everyone understands that the stock market has almost nothing to do with foundational wealth or the health of the economy. It's largely about how lucky/confident people feel. I think people who survived the 1930s understand that but we are quickly losing those folks.
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They're definitely interrelated in concrete ways. Shareholder theory's distortion of that, though, is well worth acknowledging.

jeremyp said:
If the Democrat controlled House impeaches him but he is acquitted by the Republican controlled Senate, that would be extraordinarily damaging to the Dems.
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I'd say that that assessment is premature. It very much depends on the reasoning presented for the impeachment and the evidence presented. If the reasoning is as pathetically weak as the GOP's case against Clinton? Yes, it would be. We are so very, very far past that point, though, even before Mueller's report, that that can't be assumed to be the case. Then there's the optics of it. If Republican Senators choose to protect someone clearly demonstrated to be a traitor and a serious repeat criminal, plausible as that sadly is, that should completely backfire on them, despite the Trumpkins.

jeremyp said:
So we can be sure Trump will not be impeached with the current Senate unless there is a slam dunk impeachable offence and the evidence is incontrovertible. I've seen nothing that says Mueller (for example) has anything good enough on Trump.
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There are plenty of indications that he does, of course, but Mueller's investigation has been somewhat famously tight-lipped and very likely to not actually indict the President with anything. Unindicted co-conspirator, on the other hand... well, Trump's already that. The absence of evidence where it would reasonably be expected would count as evidence that Mueller's got "nothing good enough," but the situation right now isn't even remotely that.

jeremyp said:
Another point of calculation: the Dems might think they have a better chance of beating Trump in 2020 than some other non imbecile Republican. Put it this way, if Trump tanks the economy, and screws up foreign policy, as currently seems likely, but then gets impeached, convicted and imprisoned, Pence (or whoever the candidate is in 2020) can say "hey, it wasn't me, it was Trump".
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And that, even if they don't, the backlash against Trump will turn a LOT more congressperson and senator spots blue? That's a cynical political calculation that's actually a very dangerous tactic. The groups that generally support Democrats are distinctly more sensitive to their party's betrayals of their needs and desires than the Republican Party's supporters, after all, and are generally less likely to make themselves politically involved in the first place. The failure to impeach Trump if there's very clear and strong reason to do so will notably depress turnout from probably most of the groups that lean towards the Democratic Party.
 
Aridas said:
And that, even if they don't, the backlash against Trump will turn a LOT more congressperson and senator spots blue? That's a cynical political calculation that's actually a very dangerous tactic. The groups that generally support Democrats are distinctly more sensitive to their party's betrayals of their needs and desires than the Republican Party's supporters, after all, and are generally less likely to make themselves politically involved in the first place. The failure to impeach Trump if there's very clear and strong reason to do so will notably depress turnout from probably most of the groups that lean towards the Democratic Party.
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The Dems could have a bit from column A and some from column B. If they left any impeachment proceedings until the end of Trump's presidency, say, right before the election, pushing an unholy decision on the GOP at a very bad time. You could easily have this scenario:

-- Trump will have made such a cock-up of the USA that he would be utterly undesirable as a candidate in 2020 and would not be given a second nomination by the GOP. If Trump faces certain jail time, they will try to pretend he never existed. But with an impeachment in front of them, they can't avoid dealing with him.

-- The GOP Senate would be mired in a really bad position right before they face a national election, having to explain away why they would not convict Trump even though he is a massive millstone around their necks.

-- Alternatively, to appease the voters, the GOP Senate could agree to convict Trump. Which means they have to admit complicit support for his flaming disasters of the last 4 years. And Trump was getting the boot at that time anyway.

-- Pence would not have any chance of getting the big chair by default (promised him previously, I'm sure). He, too, will be unlikely to get future support having been closely associated with Trump and done nothing to ameliorate his problems.

-- The Dems, meanwhile, can look and behave like the government-in-waiting. All they have to do is stay relatively sane, make minimal mistakes, and work as a team with sensible policies.

Timing could be the key.
 
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jeremyp said:
The former isn't going to happen unless he wins a second term.

If the Democrat controlled House impeaches him but he is acquitted by the Republican controlled Senate, that would be extraordinarily damaging to the Dems. So we can be sure Trump will not be impeached with the current Senate unless there is a slam dunk impeachable offence and the evidence is incontrovertible. I've seen nothing that says Mueller (for example) has anything good enough on Trump.

Another point of calculation: the Dems might think they have a better chance of beating Trump in 2020 than some other non imbecile Republican. Put it this way, if Trump tanks the economy, and screws up foreign policy, as currently seems likely, but then gets impeached, convicted and imprisoned, Pence (or whoever the candidate is in 2020) can say "hey, it wasn't me, it was Trump".
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How do you figure? Was Clinton's impeachment that damaging to the GOP? I don't think so. And it really depends on what comes out during the impeachment proceedings. If there really is a " smoking gun" that he colluded with Putin and the GOP still wont remove him, then I think that's much worse for the Republicans.

ETA, they might want to wait a while so this is still fresh in peoples minds heading into the 2020 election. And of course by "people" I mean Floridians and a few other swing state voters who actually decide whom our chief executive will be.
 
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lobosrul5 said:
If there really is a " smoking gun" that he colluded with Putin and the GOP still wont remove him, then I think that's much worse for the Republicans.
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No matter how much the GOP is vested in spinning Trump's presidency as viable, there's a point where they have to consider damage control. The big question is where that point is. I suspect that even they don't know at this point.
 
Brought from another thread so as not to derail....

Baylor said:
At alt-right sites, it's the Jews who control Donald Trump

Basic bitch leftist sites, it's Putin who controls Donald Trump.

At International Skeptics Forum it's.........Fox News.
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Those last two have been clearly demonstrated in the last few days

Putin tells the world he wants the USA out of Syria...Trump says yes sir, and pulls the USA out of Syria.

Faux News' Laura Ingraham tells Trump to holdout for the wall... Trump says yes ma'am, reverses his decision and causes the shut-down.

Does he think people won't notice what he does and how he serves the interests of everyone but this boss - the people of the USA

Faux News have his number... they call the tune, and he dances to it.
 
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alfaniner said:
I'm not going to usurp Captain Swoop's chosen duties, but holy **** the crazy is out tonight with all the new tweets.
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Well, the damned fool just announced he's staying in Washington and only then noticed that his lapdogs are going home. He'll have no one to "work his art of the deal with" so his idea of working is tuning in Fox & Friends and tweeting.

Look forward to four days of this!
 
quadraginta said:
It did work. Cheating is what won Trump the election.
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Why shouldn't it work again?
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It might, but I think the most likely scenario is that Trump will lose the next election.

The reasons?

- The election was extremely close (coming down to a handful of votes in a couple of swing states). In order for Trump to repeat, he would have to either hold on to all the votes he got in the first place (difficult, since he's pissing off at least a few of his voter base) or pick up new voters (unlikely, since he seems to be unable to get out of the whole 'us-vs-them' mentality)

- The cheating worked as well as it did because Hillary had been successfully smeared for years by the republican party. I can't think of another potential candidate where similar attacks would work (at least not as well).

- Although Trump and the republicans have not taken significant steps to stop cheating in the future, at least the democrats know not to take states like Penn. and Wisc. for granted
 
smartcooky said:
Those last two have been clearly demonstrated in the last few days

Putin tells the world he wants the USA out of Syria...Trump says yes sir, and pulls the USA out of Syria.

Faux News' Laura Ingraham tells Trump to holdout for the wall... Trump says yes ma'am, reverses his decision and causes the shut-down.

Does he think people won't notice what he does and how he serves the interests of everyone but this boss - the people of the USA

Faux News have his number... they call the tune, and he dances to it.
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Appears it was actually Erdogan who told Trump to get out of Syria.

Linky.
 
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