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I am patiently trying to get you correct misinformation that you are unfortunately spreading in this thread.

I am not trying to trick you, indeed I can say with firm conviction that the date he registered under the FDA was before he "started," and the answer to the question is in this very thread:

What was the date he registered in compliance with the LDA:

Except Flynn's registration with the LDA was bullcrap and Flynn knew it. Fynn was pretending to work as a lobbyist for Dutch Company Inova BV as opposed to what he was doing which was working as a foreign agent for the Turkish government.

This distinction is huge. Flynn tried to pass it off as an honest mistake. This is not likely. Below is excerpts of an email of their attempts to pass this off.

Robert fCKelner
BEIJING BRUSSELS LONDON 1 0 * ANGELES
NEW YORK IAN FRANCISCO SEOUL
SHANGHAI SILICON VALLEY WASHINGTON
Covington & Burling LLP
OneCityCenter
850 Tenth Street, NW
Washington,DC20001-4956
T +12026625503
rkelner@cov.com
March 7,2017

Ms. Heather Hunt
FARA Registration Unit
U.S. Department ofJustice
6oo E Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20004

In September 2016, Flynn Intel Group publicly disclosed its representation of Inovo BV in a federal Lobbying Disclosure Act ("LDA") registration that was filed with the Secretary of the Senate and Clerk of the House.

As you know, under FARA, a U.S. firm that represents a foreign corporate client, which is not a foreign government or political party, may register under the LDA rather than FARA, so long as the firm engages in lobbying activities for its client. Flynn Intel Group concluded that because its client was a foreign corporation and the services provided included lobbying activities, it could file under the LDA.

The Department's regulations provide that filing under the LDA is not an option, however, if a foreign government, even though not the client, nonetheless is the "principal beneficiary" of the work performed This is an uncertain standard, not based on the statutory language, and not defined in the Department's regulations. Nevertheless, because of the subject matter of Flynn Intel Group's work for Inovo BV, which focused on Mr. Fethullah Gulen, whose extradition is sought by the Government of Turkey, the engagement could be construed to have principally benefitted the Republic of Turkey. To eliminate any potential doubt, the Flynn Intel Group therefore is electing to file a registration under FARA, in lieu of its prior LDA registration.

FYI: Innova BV is a shell corporation.
 
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And none of that was an attempt to hide data; it was following the established procedures in place for when a phone was turned in and prepped for issue to a new agent.

I was referring to the texts sent while they were working for Mueller's team.

The claim that they applied established procedures is no defense whatsoever, because the SCO was not part of the regular system, and at the time the phones were wiped, they knew that there were extensive problems regarding the text communications between Strzok and page that call into question their participation in the probe.

Where are the Strzok/page texts while they were working on mueller's team, what are they hiding?
 
I was referring to the texts sent while they were working for Mueller's team.

The claim that they applied established procedures is no defense whatsoever, because the SCO was not part of the regular system, and at the time the phones were wiped, they knew that there were extensive problems regarding the text communications between Strzok and page that call into question their participation in the probe.

Where are the Strzok/page texts while they were working on mueller's team, what are they hiding?

I can't say they do think there are extensive problems with the texts. I have not found a single one they released so far as problematic.
 
Flynn is totally innocent because:

1) He was never charged with any of those awful things he obviously did, and

2) Even though he plead guilty to achieve 1, it was coerced and entrapment and the FBI is corrupt so it doesn't count.

It's Schrödinger's guilty plea. Simultaneously an unconditional confession of guilt and a total claim of innocence.

Al Capone never killed anyone or had anyone killed. He was just a tax evader.
 
As previously shown, the assertion that Flynn was secretly doing anything against the interests of the United states is false: he registered in FULL compliance with the LDA, end of story.

Others have covered this. The LDA was retroactive. Flynn was keeping the relationship secret at the time.

Next, the assertion that he was working for Turkey while on the transition team is likewise false,

No, Flynn was still working for them up until the day before Trump named him as NSA.

and although recklessly raised by Sullivan this week, guy on Mueller's team admitted it was false AND Sullivan walked back that comment and said he regretted making it.

No, Sullivan walked back the part about Flynn being in Turkey's employ while he was the National Security Advisor.
 
This is an interesting analysis of Sullivan's walk-back

The TL;DR version is that we shouldn't forget that when he made those comments Sullivan had just read the redacted info which revealed the extent of what Mueller's team knows about Flynn's crimes.

I think Empty Wheel's analysis could be spot on. And I can easily see why the judge was furious with Flynn.

From what I know at this moment, I am far more furious with Flynn than I am with Trump.

(But there's the rub, there is so much I/we dont know. There could easily be mitigating circumstances that I am not aware of. But it seems just as likely, even probable there are aggravating circumstances that could easily be viewed as treasonous. Empty Wheel points this out.)

Flynn has spent most of his life working as an uber patriot. Trump OTOH, has spent most of his life acting as a self-serving sleaze. I expect Trump to be focused entirely on himself. I expect Flynn to do the right thing.
 
"Justice for Flynn" would result him dying in prison.

I've seen some say Trump hired Flynn in spite of Obama having fired him and warned Trump against him. They've got it wrong. Trump hired him BECAUSE of that.

I agree that certainly was a large part of it at the very least. Trump's petty hatred/jealousy of Obama is clear.
 
Others have covered this. The LDA was retroactive. Flynn was keeping the relationship secret at the time.

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If others have covered it, they are quite mistaken, Flynn filed the disclosure under the LDA LONG before the election.
 
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"Justice for Flynn" would result him dying in prison.

I've seen some say Trump hired Flynn in spite of Obama having fired him and warned Trump against him. They've got it wrong. Trump hired him BECAUSE of that.

It's not inconsistent with what we know, but I don't buy it.

I say Trump hired Flynn because he didn't know any one else to put in there. A lot of it is because of his naivete in politics, he didn't have any connections or knowledge of anyone who might be qualified, so he went with the only name he recognized.

Normal people would, when in over their heads, rely on their staff to provide recommendations to fill the positions, but he's unwilling to do anything like that, and wouldn't listen to anyone who has experience and knowledge anyway.
 

Barr wrote that memo having no knowledge of evidence Mueller may have that has not been made public.

Barr’s analysis hinges on the idea that the crux of the obstruction of justice probe is based on just those two publicly known incidents: Trump urging Comey to ease up on the Flynn investigation, and Trump firing Comey a few months later.

In fact, we already know that Mueller wants to ask Trump about many other incidents with obstruction implications. These include efforts to offer potential witnesses pardons, efforts to pressure Attorney General Jeff Sessions into reversing his recusal, Trump’s involvement in his son Don Jr.’s misleading public statement about his Trump Tower Russian meeting.

As Rod Rosenstein said about Barr:

Our decisions are informed by our knowledge of the actual facts of the case, which Mr. Barr didn’t have.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...ueller-barr-memo-rosenstein-obstruction-trump

As the article cited also says, Barr could change his mind when he is informed of what other evidence Mueller may have that Barr does consider obstruction of justice.

I'm more concerned with the DOJ ethics committee telling Matt Whitaker that he doesn't have to recuse himself from the Mueller investigation even though his bias has been clearly expressed.
 
It's not inconsistent with what we know, but I don't buy it.

I say Trump hired Flynn because he didn't know any one else to put in there. A lot of it is because of his naivete in politics, he didn't have any connections or knowledge of anyone who might be qualified, so he went with the only name he recognized.

Normal people would, when in over their heads, rely on their staff to provide recommendations to fill the positions, but he's unwilling to do anything like that, and wouldn't listen to anyone who has experience and knowledge anyway.

I wouldn't say Trump appointed Flynn because Obama told him not to. But it certainly wasn't advice that made the tiniest difference to Trump. Trump thinks he knows better than anyone else. He knows better, than the Generals, he knows better than the scientists, he knows better than the economists, his gut is better than numbers. And he certainly knows better than that egghead darkie President who made fun of him.
 
If others have covered it, they are quite mistaken, Flynn filed the disclosure under the FDA LONG before the election.

Stop lying about this claim. He did no such thing. Your claim is false, and the document you posted proves this.

Flynn registered retroactively BUT HE DID NOT TAKE THE ACTION TO REGISTER UNTIL MARCH 2017

FFS, if Flynn's August 2016 LDA registration had been valid for what he was doing HIS LAWYERS WOULD HAVE USED IT AS A DEFENCE.

It should be noted that even if he DID actually disclose in August 2016, such disclosure does not allow him to lobby for, or act for, a foreign goverment, so even if valid, he was still acting illegally when acting for the Turks. In order to do what he was doing, he needed to be FARA registered, and he DID NOT DO THAT UNTIL MARCH 2017
 
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JUST IN: Acting AG Whitaker never briefed on Mueller probe. Deputy AG Rosenstein has continued to oversee investigation. But going forward, Whitaker has decided not to recuse. Rosenstein will still oversee day-to-day Mueller operations, but Whitaker will now receive briefings.
 
We are literally at the point where I have to explain that Flynn filed under the Lobbying Disclosure Act.

As such any claims that he did his work in secret are absolutely false, full stop.

His lawyers later filed a disclosure under FARA.

These are two different disclosure acts, and FARA says that LDA fliers are exempt from FARA filing.

These are facts.
 
We are literally at the point where I have to explain that Flynn filed under the Lobbying Disclosure Act.

As such any claims that he did his work in secret are absolutely false, full stop.

His lawyers later filed a disclosure under FARA.

These are two different disclosure acts, and FARA says that LDA fliers are exempt from FARA filing.

These are facts.

So? The FACT is He was REQUIRED to file as a foreign agent with FARA! He was actually working as a foreign agent for Turkey hiding under the pretense that he was lobbying for some obscure Dutch Corporation.
 
We are literally at the point where I have to explain that Flynn filed under the Lobbying Disclosure Act.

As such any claims that he did his work in secret are absolutely false, full stop.

His lawyers later filed a disclosure under FARA.

These are two different disclosure acts, and FARA says that LDA fliers are exempt from FARA filing.

We are literally at the point where I have to explain to you that Flynn's filing under the Lobbying Disclosure Act DID NOT PERMIT HIM TO ACT FOR OR ON BEHALF OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT!!!

From the document YOU posted which you say supports YOUR CLAIM

"The Department's regulations provide that filing under the LDA is not an option, however, if a foreign government, even though not the client, nonetheless is the "principal beneficiary" of the work performed"




These are facts.

Yes, they are. They are facts that do not support your false claim!
 
JUST IN: Acting AG Whitaker never briefed on Mueller probe. Deputy AG Rosenstein has continued to oversee investigation. But going forward, Whitaker has decided not to recuse. Rosenstein will still oversee day-to-day Mueller operations, but Whitaker will now receive briefings.

Rachel Maddow, and Lawrence O'Donnell, and Brian Williams and Joy Reid all reported this over three weeks ago. If you only just found this out, you've been watching the wrong news shows :sdl:
 
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