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Mueller Investigation pt4

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The Big Dog said:
Judges are not above the law.

Judges should not be making stuff up in order to jaq off
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What part of "he asked the prosecution this question in order to determine exactly how the actual charges relate to potential charges" do you not understand? What exactly do you need explained to you?

I'd pay some real money to see you take off the partisan hat for a few days just to know what you really think.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Technically, the only reason why Flynn didn't commit treason is because the US didn't declare the Russian attack on the elections an Act of War.
The same behavior would have been treasonous if the administration had adopted a different posture.
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Yes, the very specific, narrow definition of Treason makes it an unlikely charge. What the judge should have said was traitor, which is general and describes Flynn's various criminal actions pretty well.

Flynn is getting a sweetheart deal. If he can plead out all his double dealing down to lying to the FBI with a 6 month sentence (or less), he has done very well for himself. Seems to me the judge is a bit shocked with the great deal he is getting from Mueller, since the judge has confidential knowledge to the full extent of this traitorous ways.

Popehat summed it up pretty well in that podcast: "First Rat gets the most cheese". Flynn flipped early and is a big time player, so he got a great deal for what is surely extremely damning cooperation against others.
 
Dragon said:
Just listened to that very informative podcast.

The difference between a real lawyer and a cargo-cult lawyer (as exemplified in this thread) is very stark.

One has a thorough understanding of the theory and practice of the criminal law, the other knows some of the legalese and can look up various statutes on the 'net but completely lacks the background knowledge to piece things together. Sad.
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Reminds me of the difference between woo-woos, creationists and conspiracy theorists who know just enough stuff to piece together nonsense arguments, while getting demolished by people who actually know their stuff, but not realising it.
 
Belz... said:
Reminds me of the difference between woo-woos, creationists and conspiracy theorists who know just enough stuff to piece together nonsense arguments, while getting demolished by people who actually know their stuff, but not realising it.
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Popehat is great. He's a steady hand at the wheel while the waves of wishful thinking come crashing down. Be warned though, he is equally deflating for left-wing wishful thinking as he is for right wing. If you want to hear that Mueller is going to kick in the white house door and drag Trump out by his hairpiece, Ken's not your man.

As time goes on and things continue to get more desperate for the MAGA boys, I think poor Ken is going to have a lot of work cut out for him debunking all these legal "experts" in the right wing media.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Popehat summed it up pretty well in that podcast: "First Rat gets the most cheese". Flynn flipped early and is a big time player, so he got a great deal for what is surely extremely damning cooperation against others.
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Which, again, is why it's so very, very strange that Trump-supporters have chosen him as a hill to die on.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Which, again, is why it's so very, very strange that Trump-supporters have chosen him as a hill to die on.
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Probably because he knows enough to really screw Trump. Him cooperating is a disaster and any moonshot that gets him out of Mueller's hands is worth it.

Probably too late at this point though, as he has been cooperating for a good while now.

Also, Flynn Jr. is a pretty prominent far right conspiracy monger. This case hits right into the heart of Q country and brings out the nuttiest of the nuts.
 
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Belz... said:
Reminds me of the difference between woo-woos, creationists and conspiracy theorists who know just enough stuff to piece together nonsense arguments, while getting demolished by people who actually know their stuff, but not realising it.
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Exactly - I was thinking of Richard Feynman's use of the phrase 'cargo cult science'.
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varwoche said:
Is popehat one person? I thought it was more than one.
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Ken White is the blog owner and primary writer. There are other regular guest writers over the years, but mostly I only ever see Ken or Marc Randazza as authors these days. Ken White solely controls the Popehat twitter, which is great for small snippets of analysis, he is a co-host of a Trump legal trouble podcast (All the president's lawyers), and frequently appears as a legal expert in other publications.

Ken's guest writers have a funny habit of becoming disgusting far-right monsters. While Ken seems to be able to stay on the straight and narrow road of libertarianism, other writers seem to slide into far-right monstrosity eventually. I wonder how much longer before Marc pulls a full "Clark" and goes off into the deep end of alt-right nonsense.
 
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Yeah "Popehat" is technically several people, but it's more or less used synonymously with Ken White because he writes by far the most under that name and is most closely associated with it.
 
The third most ridiculous thing is that people believe that the incoming NSA reaching out to foreign countries on the eve of the inauguration was improper.

The second is the judge spewed the word treason into the sentencing hearing on insignificant process violations.

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Justice for Flynn!
 
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The Big Dog said:
The third most ridiculous thing is that people believe that the incoming NSA reaching out to foreign countries on the eve of the inauguration was improper.

The second is the judge spewed the word treason into the sentencing hearing on insignificant process violations.

The first is that people think they are getting the best of TBD in this thread.

Oh well, keep up the funnies and TBD will keep knocking them down.

Justice for Flynn!
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The source that you repeatedly cite for legal expertise says that people who foist the goofy things that you foist are complete buffoons.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
The new "All The President's Lawyers podcast is up. .
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I would also recommend the newest "Trumpcast" podcast, which has similar comments on the judge's actions. (ETA - it's not linked yet, but the title is 'foxhole in the cyber war') Their take was that the judge was a bit incredulous that the NSA sold out his country, and the prosecution was looking for a non-custodial sentence. Hence the request for 302's and to see what the cooperation was. Like - why are you giving this traitor a slap on the wrist?

As we suddenly and without forethought pull troops out of Syria, giving both the Turks and the Russians a foreign policy win, feel free to think about what Trump's people like Flynn were up to in 2016. Anyone remember the Turks beating up protestors on American soil without consequence?
 
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Tolls said:
Inside job!
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Interesting theory. Many thoughtful commentators are wondering if this was the first time in history that there was resistance from the outgoing administration to the new. Did obama weaponize the fbi and others to try to overturn the new? Is obama the traitor? Well i am not going to there, that is between obama and his god, allah.

However if you want to, make your case.
 
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