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Trump, The Gun Control President.

NRA is hurting right now, caught between the Carry Guard lawsuits and the Russian influence peddling issues, some loss of corporate sponsorship. They are at the lowest level of political influence in decades. They'll probably recover once the Dem's get more political power again. Down but not out.

This is kind of an odd thing for Trump to do, in the sense that this is regulation rather than legislation. This will be challenged in court, and Trump's administration will be forced to defend something that is very unpopular with his base. He can't blame it on bad legislation foisted upon him by congress, this is his thing to own.
 
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Haha that's an awesomely ****** up way of looking at it.

Obama even talks about guns while he's in office, "HE'S COMIN' FER YURE GUNZZ! HIDE YER PEW PEWS"

Now for some reason the lines changes to, "Trump able to do something that Obama couldn't and ban them."

Can you explain what made Obama "unable" to do it or did he just not do it? Just curious on what power has been granted to Trump.

If you guys could stay consistent between administrations at all I'd **** a gold brick. For stupid.

As far as the ban stocks, I'll give Trump minor props, but you're right. It's an empty gesture that you guys still don't hesitate to congratulate him for....neat.
 
plague311 said:
Obama even talks about guns while he's in office, "HE'S COMIN' FER YURE GUNZZ! HIDE YER PEW PEWS"
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The opinions in the OP are mine. I do not recall thinking that any gun bill Obama supported had a good chance of passing; therefore I never gave in to the "panic" that you suggest occurred.

Now for some reason the lines changes to, "Trump able to do something that Obama couldn't and ban them."
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This is my slam on Trump. Trump is supposed to be the one who would ease restrictions, as some people I know thought he would do. Instead Trump, who only cares about himself, is not about to do anything substantial when it comes to easing restrictions on gun owners.

Can you explain what made Obama "unable" to do it or did he just not do it? Just curious on what power has been granted to Trump.
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No new power. New gun control restrictions just didn't happen for the most part during Obama's administration. Trump is doing more to alienate gun owners than Obama.

As far as the ban stocks, I'll give Trump minor props, but you're right. It's an empty gesture that you guys still don't hesitate to congratulate him for....neat.
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Props for what? Did you think Trump thought he was doing something good for the country as a whole? I think you are too kind towards Trump.
 
Ranb said:
The opinions in the OP are mine. I do not recall thinking that any gun bill Obama supported had a good chance of passing; therefore I never gave in to the "panic" that you suggest occurred.
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He didn't even need to propose anything, look at the ammo shortages and massive sales of black rifles as soon as he got elected. You might not have bought into it, but it was enough to drive massive profits in gun manufacturers for the duration of his tenure in office. Now of course they are all screwed because without the terror of not being able to run a proper terrorist campaign people are just not buying as many guns.

Hell even the record setting mass shootings barely helped gun sales at all. That used to be serious profits for the manufacturers of the weapons used.
 
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He didn't even need to propose anything, look at the ammo shortages and massive sales of black rifles as soon as he got elected. .....
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Got that right. I was trying to assemble a couple of ar-15/10's back then and the only supplier I could find for parts was Amazon. The shipping was higher because there were four separate companies selling what I bought through Amazon.
 
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Got that right. I was trying to assemble a couple of ar-15/10's back then and the only supplier I could find for parts was Amazon. The shipping was higher because there were four separate companies selling what I bought through Amazon.
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It was a bonanza for the fly by night AR lower manufacturers. Plenty were cranking out total crap and it was flying off the shelves at stupid prices. The panic buying was insane. I'm glad to see these losers go under after the buying spree ended.
 
Why would anyone want a bump stock? Though I am not a firearms enthusiast, I can see where it might be fun to use at a gun range, but wouldn't the ammo cost a fortune?

ETA: There's an irony in the NRA supporting Trump. He hasn't been good for sales. As others have said, the paranoia of "the government coming to take your guns" works better when Dems hold the power. I don't "get" the NRA I guess.
 
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Ranb said:
The existing (previously) legal bump stocks obviously to not operate with a single pull of the trigger. The trigger is pulled only when pressure on the handguard is maintained. The shooter is physically pulling the trigger for each shot.
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I would disagree with this. As you noted, the pressure on the hand guard must be maintained for the gun to continue to fire, the user only pulls the trigger once, then must maintain that position. From then on, it is not the shooter pulling the trigger, but the gun itself which is using the recoil as a way to push the trigger against a stationary finger and so continuously fire. If the shooter was physically pulling the trigger each time, they would have to actually release and reapply the pressure to perform the action, which they are not doing. They are acting in the same way as firing a fully automatic, making one squeeze of the trigger, and then the gun is doing the rest. The difference is that in one case the trigger is continuously depressed, and in the other, the gun slides back with the recoil, then forward again with enough force to depress the trigger once more.
 
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Trump Bans Bump Stocks

Donald Trump bans 'bump stocks' used in Las Vegas mass shooting

The Trump administration has banned the high-power gun attachments of the type used in last year's Las Vegas shooting massacre of 58 people, giving the owners of "bump stocks" 90 days to turn in or destroy the devices and blocking owners from being able to register them.

United States President Donald Trump's Republican Party typically supports gun ownership, and its members have fiercely fought off perceived threats to the US constitution's second amendment guaranteeing Americans the right to bear arms.

His administration, though, is sidestepping any potential debate in Congress in issuing a final rule that adds bump stocks to a definition of machine guns written 80 years ago, during the heyday of gangsters' use of "tommy guns".
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Good. About time. These devices have no purpose apart from making it easier to kill more people in less time.
 
Looks like Agolf Twitler finally made a good move. Now let's see his 2nd amendmentards explain this away.

Let me guess, it'll be something like "only marxists buy bumpstocks anyways, lol he just owned the libs so hard!"
 
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I would disagree with this. As you noted, the pressure on the hand guard must be maintained for the gun to continue to fire,
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True.

the user only pulls the trigger once, then must maintain that position.
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Not true. Since the action is semi-auto, the trigger must be pulled for each shot. The bump fire stocks that slide freely on the buffer tube (for the ar-15) and are not equipped with a spring requires shooter action to pull the trigger each time.

From then on, it is not the shooter pulling the trigger, but the gun itself which is using the recoil as a way to push the trigger against a stationary finger and so continuously fire.
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The recoil of the gun pushes back the action and allows the trigger to reset so that it can fire again when the chamber is reloaded. The action of the person pushing the hand guard forward is what actually presses the trigger.

If the shooter was physically pulling the trigger each time, they would have to actually release and reapply the pressure to perform the action, which they are not doing.
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The shooter pulls the trigger by pushing the hand guard forward which presses the trigger against the trigger finger.
 
Minoosh said:
Why would anyone want a bump stock?
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Its a novelty.

Though I am not a firearms enthusiast, I can see where it might be fun to use at a gun range, but wouldn't the ammo cost a fortune?
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I've bump fired an ar-15 with and without a bump stock. It was amusing for a bit, then it become stupid as it was only a way to make noise and dump a bunch of ammo downrange and not hitting the target unless it was large and close.
 
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Its a novelty.


I've bump fired an ar-15 with and without a bump stock. It was amusing for a bit, then it become stupid as it was only a way to make noise and dump a bunch of ammo downrange and not hitting the target unless it was large and close.
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Like a crowd of people?
 
The very poor accuracy when using a bump stock might have saved lives that night, though.

I can imagine the wide scatter when using a bump stock at 400 yards.

Paddock might have killed way more people if he'd used illegally modded full-auto rifles, which he could have held on target much better.
 
This is one of the very good things I have seen come out of this Administration. Unfortunately it is overwhelmed by everything else that's going on at the moment.
 
LTC8K6 said:
The very poor accuracy when using a bump stock might have saved lives that night, though.

I can imagine the wide scatter when using a bump stock at 400 yards.

Paddock might have killed way more people if he'd used illegally modded full-auto rifles, which he could have held on target much better.
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He's need to have access to someone who could do the job or the skill to do it himself.

The firearms in question can not be modified into their full-auto cousins by simple part substitution. It takes machine work and knowledge of the original design.
 
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