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Intelligent Design

I am not wrong ... at least to the extent that there is a phenomenon called the spiritual world. While hey, there may in fact be a way of reproducing some of these things, but I can assure you, it's not going to happen (any time soon) by you having me submit to a full proctol examination in front of everyone. :cool:

Which is to say you don't actually have any evidence for a spiritual world, but you will to continue to believe in it anyway?
 
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To get back on topic, how can you tell if something is the result of 'intelligent design' or 'evolutionary apparent design'? For example, given a wolf, an Aibo and a chihuahua is it possible to demonstrate that they're respectively evolved, intelligently designed, and a bit of both?

Just musing... any thoughts?
 
Since you've yet to provide any evidence that things do, in fact, vibrate, this question is meaningless.
Everything that we experience about reality is due to the "signals" that the brain receives. We do not in fact know anything outside of this phenomenon, which is called "consciousness."
 
Which is to say you don't actually have any evidence for a spiritual world, but you will to continue to believe in it anyway?
And perhaps you should desist from all your "blind" assertions? Because it comes across as a big "zilch" in my book. :cool:
 
Everything that we experience about reality is due to the "signals" that the brain receives. We do not in fact know anything outside of this phenomenon, which is called "consciousness."

These signals are not "vibrations" in any sense of the word, Iacchus. Try again, please.
 
And perhaps you should desist from all your "blind" assertions? Because it comes across as a big zilch in my book. :cool:

Which is to say you really don't have any answer to our questions, but wish to keep believing in your blather in the absense of logic, evidence or common sense?
 
And perhaps you should desist from all your "blind" assertions? Because it comes across as a big "zilch" in my book. :cool:
That is funny, because that exactly describes how we perceive you.

Hans
 
To get back on topic, how can you tell if something is the result of 'intelligent design' or 'evolutionary apparent design'? For example, given a wolf, an Aibo and a chihuahua is it possible to demonstrate that they're respectively evolved, intelligently designed, and a bit of both?

Just musing... any thoughts?
If you pick up on my post to Mercutio, I begin with the notion that everything is "predescribed," that in fact it was "set up" beforehand. So basically you have the same effect, the appearance of change, just that you acknowledge it was "guided," rather than have everything come about by random (with no apparent means).
 
If you pick up on my post to Mercutio, I begin with the notion that everything is "predescribed," that in fact it was "set up" beforehand. So basically you have the same effect, the appearance of change, just that you acknowledge it was "guided," rather than have everything come about by random (with no apparent means).

Except you have no evidence that anything was "predescribed".
 
Which is to say you really don't have any answer to our questions, but wish to keep believing in your blather in the absense of logic, evidence or common sense?
Which is to say, you really have no grounds for discussing this with me. Because I can assure you, I'm not going to show you my sphincter ... at least not on our first date anyway! :D
 
Which is to say, you really have no grounds for discussing this with me. Because I can assure you, I'm not going to show you my sphincter ... at least not on our first date anyway! :eek: :eek: :eek:

I have every grounds, Iacchus. It is you who has no evidence for anything you assert. You know, if you did, your theories would go down much better.
 
Which is to say, you really have no grounds for discussing this with me. Because I can assure you, I'm not going to show you my sphincter ... at least not on our first date anyway! :D

I just realised: "Which is to say you know your arguments will be rogered if you admit you have no evidence, so you'll continue to make smart-donkey comments?"
 
Except you have no evidence that anything was "predescribed".
So, will tomorrow unfold any differently than the way tomorrow unfolds? Yet is it not wholly contingent upon what happens today? So, where are the "missing ingredients" that tell us tomorrow should unfold any differently? The fact is, it's all here, today, "prior" to what happens tomorrow. Now please don't bother trying to explain how what I'm saying here is "illogical." Okay?
 
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So, will tomorrow unfold any differently than the way tomorrow unfolds? Yet is it not wholly contingent upon what happens today? So, where are the "missing ingredients" that tell us tomorrow should unfold any differently? The fact is, it's all here, today, "prior" to what happens tomorrow. And please don't bother trying to explain how what I'm saying here is "illogical." Okay?

So you argument is that for tomorrow to happen, there must be a today, correct?
 
So you argument is that for tomorrow to happen, there must be a today, correct?
I'm saying that nothing new happens tomorrow -- which, in fact is all tomorrow is, something "new" ;) --which is not a direct result of what happened today.

Hmm ... But then again, if everything that occurs tomorrow is something new, then everything that occurs today is also something new! ... and, that in fact everything that occurred yesterday was something new! Wow, here we are in a Universe which, for all intents and purposes, experiences itself at the beginning! Now how is that possible?
 
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And there's a difference between believing in something in "blindly," and actually standing witness to something. And if it was just a one shot deal, for example, if I saw a hit and run accident, and there was no way of tracking the driver down, it still doesn't change the fact that somebody was injured and their life was affected as result. Now, for you to ask me to reproduce the whole thing as I if were the one responsible for the accident (albeit I may have been the one who got hit by the car), what do you expect? I am not a magician, and I don't pull rabbits out of my hat just to satisfy somebody else's whim. I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. :cool:

While I'm trying to understand the presence of the "cool" smiley, I'm fairly sure I understand the rest of your post: "I just want to believe!"

No one's asking you to reproduce anything, yet. All I'm saying, is that "first-hand" experience of "god" is just about as good as a kid's "first-hand" experience of an imaginary friend. The child is convinced that its genuine, but obviously it's not. Unless, somehow, the kid can prove it to you.

Your imaginary friend is very shy, mister.
 

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