Mueller Investigation pt4

[The Big Dog]

I'll start the list.

Sergey Kislyak

I am not even going to ask how an incoming NSA discussing issues regarding the President elect with a foreign ambassador is "suspicious" because I am a groovy guy like that. That is One.

 

[Imhotep]

I am not even going to ask how an incoming NSA discussing issues regarding the President elect with a foreign ambassador is "suspicious" because I am a groovy guy like that. That is One.

Multiple meetings. This is stuff from early 2017.

 

[I Am The Scum]

I am not even going to ask how an incoming NSA discussing issues regarding the President elect with a foreign ambassador is "suspicious" because I am a groovy guy like that. That is One.

And then we'd have to bring up the part where he lied about it (a crime). Boy, that sure would be embarrassing.

 

[The Big Dog]

Multiple meetings. This is stuff from early 2017.

Ok, after the election then. After being sworn in as president? Hard to figure out how that was suspicious, right.

Still at one.

 

[The Big Dog]

And then we'd have to bring up the part where he lied about it (a crime). Boy, that sure would be embarrassing.

Well you sure could, but of course that wasn't the claim that we are investigating.

Right now, ya see, we are looking at all the suspicious contacts, and we have One.

 

[The Great Zaganza]

Vladimir Putin

Also, Flynn communicated extensively with Kislyak - not just at one meeting.

 

[JoeMorgue]

golly, I hope that it is not unreasonable to get a source for that quote, because i have reviewed his statements and it does not appear that he said that.

Thanks a bunch!

Sure thing there sport, right after you source where I said he did.

This whole faux-"I'll pretend that I don't know that everything isn't an exact word for word quote" thing you do is childish even for you.

 

[The Big Dog]

Sure thing there sport, right after you source where I said he did.

This whole faux-"I'll pretend that I don't know that everything isn't an exact word for word quote" thing you do is childish even for you.

Oh dear, I was supposed to know that the "quote" you put 'quote marks' around was in fact not a "quote" but something y'all made up out of whole cloth?

Well don't I have egg on my face, me thinking that putting quote marks around a quote means it is a quote and not something you totally made up.

"The Big Dog is super groovy!" -Joemorque

might not be an exact word for word quote.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Oh dear, I was supposed to know that the "quote" you put 'quote marks' around was in fact not a "quote" but something y'all made up out of whole cloth?

Well don't I have egg on my face, me thinking that putting quote marks around a quote means it is a quote and not something you totally made up.

"The Big Dog is super groovy!" -Joemorque

might not be an exact word for word quote.

Your pearl clutching never fails to be adorable.

 

[plague311]

Ok, after the election then. After being sworn in as president? Hard to figure out how that was suspicious, right.

Still at one.

What difference does it make if it's before or after the election? Flynn spoke with Russia over a dozen times. It doesn't matter when it was.

 

[acbytesla]

Indeed. "I supported the President, even protected, him as long as I could, far longer than people think I should have, past the even the point it was legal because I honestly thought it was the best thing for the country, but in the end I had to do what was right." isn't a good thing per se, but it's understandable, even respectable in a way.

golly, I hope that it is not unreasonable to get a source for that quote, because i have reviewed his statements and it does not appear that he said that.

Thanks a bunch!

Sure thing there sport, right after you source where I said he did.

This whole faux-"I'll pretend that I don't know that everything isn't an exact word for word quote" thing you do is childish even for you.

Someone's kind of slow on the uptake.


I agree that may be what he was thinking.

 

[Imhotep]

Ok, after the election then. After being sworn in as president? Hard to figure out how that was suspicious, right.

Still at one.

"Suspicious contacts" can be with the same person. So more than one.

The news broke in early 2017, that does not mean the contacts occurred then.

Flynn was warned that Russian intelligence was very likely monitoring these conversations. He continued to meet with him.

The warning came before Flynn’s call with Kislyak in which he discussed the possibility of lifting sanctions against Russia when Trump would take office. Flynn misled Vice President Mike Pence and other top White House officials about the substance of that phone call, leading to his resignation in February.

Do I need to continue?

Who warned him? A Trump transition official.

The same official requested a CIA profile on the ambassador.

Do I need to continue more?

Do you recall the bit about Flynn receiving payments from Russians that were undisclosed? Those were not from the ambassador.

 

[plague311]

Just to put this nonsense to bed, source:

April 2016
In the final seven months of the presidential campaign, Flynn and other aides will hold 18 phone and email conversations with Russian operatives, Reuters reports.

19 September 2016
Flynn meets Turkish contacts in New York and discusses US policy on the Islamic cleric Fethullah Gülen, a green-card holder residing in Pennsylvania. Flynn was reportedly paid $530,000 to consult for a Turkish businessman...

December 2016
Flynn holds conversations about US sanctions on Russia with ambassador Sergey Kislyak. Vice-President Mike Pence will later say Flynn misled him as to the nature of the talks.

29 December 2016
Flynn speaks with Kislyak on the phone five times, on the day the Obama administration retaliates for Russian tampering in the 2016 election by expelling 35 Russian diplomats and announcing new sanctions against Russian intelligence services and agencies involved in hacking.

Late January 2017
Flynn is interviewed by the FBI about his Russia contacts. He later admits to telling multiple lies in the interview, including about conversations he had with Kislyak about US sanctions on Russia and about a United Nations resolution condemning Israel.

There are multiple conversations, and multiple shady dealings between Flynn, Russia, and some with Turkey.

TBD is wrong, moving on.

 

[The Big Dog]

"Suspicious contacts" can be with the same person. So more than one.

The news broke in early 2017, that does not mean the contacts occurred then.

Flynn was warned that Russian intelligence was very likely monitoring these conversations. He continued to meet with him.

The warning came before Flynn’s call with Kislyak in which he discussed the possibility of lifting sanctions against Russia when Trump would take office. Flynn misled Vice President Mike Pence and other top White House officials about the substance of that phone call, leading to his resignation in February.

Do I need to continue?

Who warned him? A Trump transition official.

The same official requested a CIA profile on the ambassador.

Do I need to continue more?

Do you recall the bit about Flynn receiving payments from Russians that were undisclosed? Those were not from the ambassador.

Ok, you cited to 2017, not me, and I now see it is not relevant. (protip; the article I have been discussing came out in Dec. 2016)

Now the suspicious contacts have doubled to two! Both with the same guy, neither all that suspicious, and both were listed in the sentencing memo.

Two!

No I don't recall him receiving payments from the Russians that were not disclosed, perhaps you are thinking of another large country in the area?

 

[plague311]

Ok, you cited to 2017, not me, and I now see it is not relevant. (protip; the article I have been discussing came out in Dec. 2016)

Now the suspicious contacts have doubled to two! Both with the same guy, neither all that suspicious, and both were listed in the sentencing memo.

Two!

This whole statement is irrelevant considering it only takes 1. So even if that number were 1, there's nothing more needed to be proven to say that there was suspicious contact between the two.

You've now admitted there are two, which would make it contacts. Meaning you're wrong. Admit it, or don't. Everyone can see the truth.

 

[The Big Dog]

Your pearl clutching never fails to be adorable.

can I "quote" you on that?

 

[varwoche]

On the one hand, Rachel Maddow implied but didn't come right out and say that Trump must not be ragging on Michael Flynn because Trump is smart enough (for once) to not mess around with something that could be dangerous to him.

On the other hand, can't we infer that Flynn, despite all his suspicious contacts with the Russians, wasn't involved in collusion because wouldn't Mueller have included charges related to collusion in the indictment he just filed? And, how could it be that Flynn didn't collude, given his central position in dealings with Russia?

If specific collusion occurred (e.g. advising on content and dates of the Assange drops) I've suspected since day one that it would be funneled through Stone. He is Trump's long-time adviser. He was already in the inner circle of Trump's corrupt behavior (the birther lies, supposed Trump investigators on the ground in Hawaii gathering facts, etc). When Trump says "people are saying" that usually means Roger Stone.

That said, Trump is sloppier than a sloppy joe. It could have spilled over.

 

[acbytesla]

Just to put this nonsense to bed, source:

There are multiple conversations, and multiple shady dealings between Flynn, Russia, and some with Turkey.

TBD is wrong, moving on.

I also believe there are more contacts that we don't know about. There was a lot redacted in that sentencing memo which says one thing. There is a lot more coming. It is also probably very bad news for Jared as Flynn and him were almost joined at the hip during the transition.

That TBD thinks that we've heard everything is precious and naive.

 

[Imhotep]

Ok, you cited to 2017, not me, and I now see it is not relevant. (protip; the article I have been discussing came out in Dec. 2016)

Now the suspicious contacts have doubled to two! Both with the same guy, neither all that suspicious, and both were listed in the sentencing memo.

Two!

No I don't recall him receiving payments from the Russians that were not disclosed, perhaps you are thinking of another large country in the area?

He received non-disclosed payments from Russia and Turkey.

That puts the list of contacts at a minimum of three. Is there a special number that we need to reach? Maybe you should mention it now.

The point of this being dated to late 2016 / early 2017 as far as reportage of it, is that you should know these things.

Do you often have contacts with people that you are warned to not contact, lie about them, and then feel they are not suspicious?

Any other two year old news that you need to be walked through? Or can we come back to current events?

 

[autumn1971]

can I "quote" you on that?

You could try, but you would undoubtedly screw up the interpretation of what was said as your reading comprehension ability falls somewhere between “Boston terrier” and “coffee table.”