Cont: The Trump Presidency 11: Insert something funny

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Oh, and as for being a fishing expedition, since when is carrying a handgun from one’s car toward a barrel full of fish considered an expedition.
 
Ladewig said:
Ok, quit kidding around, some of the posters are taking your joke seriously.

For the more humor-impaired, The Big Dog is implying that if state AGs now ask for President Trump’s Return (which he promised to release before he changed his mind and said that folks wouldn’t understand it because it is so complicated), then Republican Attorney generals will ask to see a Democratic president’s tax return at some future date. The funny part is the flip side: that if state AGs don’t subpoena the president’s tax returns now then Republicans at a future date will say “well, no one subpoenaed President Trump’s tax returns, so it would be somewhat unfair for us to subpoena this Democratic president’s tax returns.”

The other funny part is the implication that a Democrat could get elected President without showing his tax returns.
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I was NOT limiting it to tax returns, but yes, there is a serious issue here:

just because you don't like the present occupant of the White House does not mean that one should cheer on overturning the present system of checks and balances and separation of powers to stick it to the "Orange Cheeto" or whatever 'clever" names the Leftists come up with..

Further, do we really need a federal Constitutional crisis, because some glory seeking AG's want to cater to their ignorant hicks back home?

Hell no!
 
acbytesla said:
He could try, and I expect he will. But legal precedence says 'no' he must comply with subpoenas. See Clinton v Jones
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Wasn't Clinton v Jones regarding actions unrelated to him being President and before he took office?
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Trump Tweets

One of the very exciting things to come out of my meeting with President Xi of China is his promise to me to criminalize the sale of deadly Fentanyl coming into the United States. It will now be considered a “controlled substance.” This could be a game changer on what is.......

....considered to be the worst and most dangerous, addictive and deadly substance of them all. Last year over 77,000 people died from Fentanyl. If China cracks down on this “horror drug,” using the Death Penalty for distributors and pushers, the results will be incredible!
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The federal government says there were 72,000 total overdose deaths in 2017, and it's estimated fentanyl is "involved" in about 29,000 of those deaths. Other drugs may also be "involved," but I'm willing to bet fentanyl is the main culprit.

National Institute on Drug Abuse - Overdose Death Rates

I wonder where Trump is getting the 77,000 figure.

Junkies don't even want the stuff; it's too potent, and another analog out there, carfentanil, is 20 times more potent than fentanyl. You can die from touching it. Harm reduction advocates are offering test strips that allow street-drug users to test for their presence.
 
The Big Dog said:
Well actually the burden is on the party seeking the info to show that it is a proper purpose, but I will simply point out that they are seeking documents from before the time he was President, you dig?
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It is known that he was trying to make deals in Russia as far back as the mid-80s. Eric has bragged about how much money they were getting from Russians. Trump is strongly suspected of laundering money for Russian gangsters. Any money Trump got from Russian sources at any time under any circumstances is relevant to an investigation of whether he conspired (I hate that word "colluded") with Russia against American interests.

Helpful reading:
https://newrepublic.com/article/143...ses-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/
 
We're living in a Simpson's joke.

Sources close to the president say he has repeatedly shrugged it off, implying that he doesn’t have to worry about the money owed to America’s creditors—currently about $21 trillion—because he won’t be around to shoulder the blame when it becomes even more untenable.

The friction came to a head in early 2017 when senior officials offered Trump charts and graphics laying out the numbers and showing a “hockey stick” spike in the national debt in the not-too-distant future. In response, Trump noted that the data suggested the debt would reach a critical mass only after his possible second term in office.

“Yeah, but I won’t be here,” the president bluntly said, according to a source who was in the room when Trump made this comment during discussions on the debt.
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He's the epitome of boomerism.
 
“If you have integrity, nothing else matters. If you don't have integrity, nothing else matters.” - Alan Kooi Simpson
 
The Big Dog said:
"could" there is that word.

Sure, the democrats have been braying about getting their filthy hands on tax returns, but pinky swear, this time they are totes relevant to the very important claim.

Sorry, but that dog ain't gonna hunt.
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Succinct reply: The mere fact of the timing difference - which is the only evidence you've offered - doesn't demonstrate that it's a fishing expedition, because you have not ruled out the possibility that there could be a proper connection between events before and after Trump becoming President? You're the one who has to demonstrate that the chronology/timing difference necessarily means it's a fishing expedition.

TL;DR version:

You made the claim that it was a fishing expedition:
The Big Dog said:
Trump ignores fishing expedition for his tax returns.
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and you said you had evidence for it.
The Big Dog said:
Yes . . . .
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And I had to ask you for what the evidence was,
Paul2 said:
. . . .
What is that evidence?
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Then you changed the subject from your claim that it was a fishing expedition to the AG's burden, which is irrelevant to you providing evidence for your claim:
The Big Dog said:
Well actually the burden is on the party seeking the info to show that it is a proper purpose. . . .
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But then you did offer evidence for your claim:
The Big Dog said:
. . . . but I will simply point out that they are seeking documents from before the time he was President, you dig?
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As if the mere fact of the difference in time demonstrated that it was a fishing expedition, and I then merely asked a follow-up question:
Paul2 said:
Why is it a fishing expedition if they seek documents from before the time he was President? Of course something that happened and was documented from before the time he was President could shed light on, or be relevant to, something that happened when he was President.
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And your comment,
The Big Dog said:
"could" there is that word.
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treats my question like it's a claim, whereas I have made no claims, I'm merely asking for evidence for your claim that it's a fishing expedition, and you need to demonstrate that the mere fact of the timing difference necessarily means that it couldn't possibly be proper. Otherwise, if it could be proper, then the mere fact of the timing difference doesn't mean it necessarily is improper.
 
The Big Dog said:
...Further, do we really need a federal Constitutional crisis, because some glory seeking AG's want to cater to their ignorant hicks back home?

Hell no!
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The mask comes off, just for a moment. The ignorant hicks back home? That sounds positively elitist. ;)
 
The Big Dog said:
Well actually the burden is on the party seeking the info to show that it is a proper purpose, but I will simply point out that they are seeking documents from before the time he was President, you dig?
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Except, now I know why they need them. Trump leases space in his buildings and sells memberships to his country clubs as well as caters events. The argument is Trump is receiving Emoluments from foreign sources.
One must compare Trump's income sources from before he was President to income received during his campaign and during his term. It is believed that the Trump Organization is selling space/memberships/catering/event planning to foreign ambassadors, governments, lobbyists etc.

If Trump's income from those sources is comparable, then Trump is probably not receiving emoluments. If however, all of a sudden he has a massive source of foreign income than he is. So I believe they need multiple years of tax returns from before he began running for President until now.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
https://twitter.com/SebastianMurdoc/status/1070364231743270912



Screenshots of crazy posts embedded in tweet.
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Those are some of the crazy people likely to start more widespread political violence, which sadly normal non-impaired people could well join in on, when Trump's power is substantively challenged.

Then the 'reasonable' Trumpers and GOP supporters will blame the liberals for causing such horrible violence, because gun control and calling Nazis bad.
 
I noticed that at the service today, all the other Presidents and wives were holding their programs in their laps. The PDJT had just tossed his on the floor in front of him.
 
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