Hawking says there are no gods

[JayUtah]

Go for the kill!

No, Tommy, you're not an invincible philoso-gladiator.

Whether that applies to JayUtah or not, you ask him. He won't answer me.

Wow, you can't stop yourself personalizing the argument. I won't play your silly evasive games, no. I'm trying to keep you focused on simple tasks like trying to read plain English, not rewriting people's posts to make them fit your one-trick-pony circus, and holding you responsible for the inconsistencies and hypocrisy in your arguments. Think you can manage that?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Go for the kill! The dirt secret is that some scientists don't have knowledge as you believe in it.

Why is it whenever you scratch the surface of a phil-oss-oh-fiz-er you always find this "We have to take those eggheads who think they know everything down a notch" layer?

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

No, Tommy, you're not an invincible philoso-gladiator.



Wow, you can't stop yourself personalizing the argument. I won't play your silly evasive games, no. I'm trying to keep you focused on simple tasks like trying to read plain English, not rewriting people's posts to make them fit your one-trick-pony circus, and holding you responsible for the inconsistencies and hypocrisy in your arguments. Think you can manage that?

So you are not a metaphysical realist?

 

[JayUtah]

So how does morality work?

Knee-jerk irrelevancy.

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

Knee-jerk irrelevancy.

So you know nothing about morality?

 

[JayUtah]

So...

Focus, Tommy. As I said, every time you are asked to be responsible, you try to change the subject.

 

[JoeMorgue]

So you know nothing about morality?

What's bologna made out of?

 

[JayUtah]

So you know nothing about morality?

Wow, you're really desperate to change the subject. Every time I try to hold you responsible, you do this. Why?

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

No, Tommy, you're not an invincible philoso-gladiator.



Wow, you can't stop yourself personalizing the argument. I won't play your silly evasive games, no. I'm trying to keep you focused on simple tasks like trying to read plain English, not rewriting people's posts to make them fit your one-trick-pony circus, and holding you responsible for the inconsistencies and hypocrisy in your arguments. Think you can manage that?

And you say nothing personal when you say that you know that there is no gods, yet you speak as an authority for all mankind.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Tommy nobody's going to fall for your "LOOK OVER THERE!" tactic.

Answer the question Jay asked you.

 

[JayUtah]

And you say nothing personal when you say that you know that there is no gods, yet you speak as an authority for all mankind.

Delusional gibberish.

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

JayUtah, if we deconstruct morality and look at its parts, there is no objective morality.
Sometimes deconstruction destroys the belief you held and replaces it with a new one.

This is relevant to your lawnmower, because do we keep objective morality or not? Can we always reconstruct?

 

[JoeMorgue]

1. Why do Fill-Osh-Oh-Pfizers think they can make every discussion about everything?
2. Why do we let them?

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

Delusional gibberish.

Did that one get to you? I can only tell if you answer with reason, logic and so on? Do you consider science authoritative for all of the universe or does science have a limit?

 

[JoeMorgue]

Did that one get to you? I can only tell if you answer with reason, logic and so on? Do you consider science authoritative for all of the universe or does science have a limit?

Tommy what on Earth on you trying to prove with "Ah ha! Science can't answer my Gibberish! That proves science has limits!"

 

[JayUtah]

Did that one get to you?

No, it's gibberish. You can't seem to understand plain English and you can't seem to write coherent English. Fix that, please.

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

No, it's gibberish. You can't seem to understand plain English and you can't seem to write coherent English. Fix that, please.

You speak with the authority of science, when you say you know that there are no gods. That says something universal about knowledge, because it speaks as knowledge for all humans also theists and agnostics/soft atheists and thus it becomes personal, because you claim knowledge over other humans' worldview. To you there are only one worldview. That is also authoritative.

 

[JoeMorgue]

You speak with the authority of science, when you say you know that there are no gods. That says something universal about knowledge, because it speaks as knowledge for all humans also theists and agnostics/soft atheists and thus it becomes personal, because you claim knowledge over other humans' worldview. To you there are only one worldview. That is also authoritative.

What absolute nonsense. "You aren't allowed to claim knowledge because you can't tell other people their 'world view' is wrong."

 

[JayUtah]

You...

You've done nothing for the past half hour except try to shove arguments into my mouth. I'm sorry I'm not the Big Bad Meanie you need me to be in order for your philoso-gladiator fantasy to come true. Try to engage my actual arguments, not the ones you make up for me.

Come back down to earth, please, and let's try to continue with the basics. Do you agree that if someone tells you that you haven't summarized his argument correctly, that means you're wrong?

 

[Tommy Jeppesen]

Hi JoeMorgue and JayUtah

...

Come back down to earth, please, and let's try to continue with the basics. Do you agree that if someone tells you that you haven't summarized his argument correctly, that means you're wrong?

No, if you claim knowledge about creator gods, you claim knowledge for all humans, who care, because whether there is a creator or not, or whether it can be known, that is for all humans, who care, that you speak.

JoeMorgue got that one right! If you say there is knowledge about gods, it affects all, who care and when I say there is no knowledge, it affects all, who care.