Hawking says there are no gods

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ynot said:
Why has this thread become "Tommy says the is no reality"?

Why does such a "Gibberish Guru" deserve and get such ego inflating attention?
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You want the truth? Because people need to understand that this is how a lot of defense Woo really is.

Tommy's arguments come out of plenty of people's mouths on this board. He just go so full tilt with it how ludicrous it is becomes obvious.

None of this is for Tommy's benefit. He's been too far gone since page one of a dozen threads back.

What I want is to grab a lot of other posters by the head and shove their face in this thread and scream "See! That's what you sound like! That's what you're arguing! He's you, just turned up to 11."
 
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JoeMorgue said:
You want the truth? Because people need to understand that this is how a lot of defense Woo really is.

Tommy's arguments come out of plenty of people's mouths on this board. He just go so full tilt with it how ludicrous it is becomes obvious.
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What is unreal and what is not a real thing?
 
Belz... said:
Ah, but Ginger, you haven't dabbled for 25 years in wordsaladology, so clearly you just don't get it.
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I'm not a fan of any universe view that includes The Matrix-esque POVs.

There is a real universe and we get the closest to representing it in our minds using the scientific process. No one's mental version is perfect because there are things in the way our brains take in observations that causes some unavoidable distortion.

And there are no gods only god myths. :p
 
JoeMorgue said:
You want the truth? Because people need to understand that this is how a lot of defense Woo really is.

Tommy's arguments come out of plenty of people's mouths on this board. He just go so full tilt with it how ludicrous it is becomes obvious.

None of this is for Tommy's benefit. He's been too far gone since page one of a dozen threads back.

What I want is to grab a lot of other posters by the head and shove their face in this thread and scream "See! That's what you sound like! That's what you're arguing! He's you, just turned up to 11."
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I wonder if that tactic actually works any more than it fails?
 
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ynot said:
I wonder if that tactic actually works more than it fails?
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*Shrugs* I don't really care at this point. Nothing else has worked.

This thread was 40 pages of "God is real because you can't prove magic doesn't exist" from a half dozen people, then, as always, Tommy comes in and says the same thing in his normal word salad pretentious way.

It's like it's his job to suck up all the Woo Criticism so the other Woo Slingers don't learn nothing.
 
ynot said:
Why has this thread become "Tommy says the is no reality"?

Why does such an obvious "Gibberish Guru" deserve and get such ego inflating attention?
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Having read a number of his posts, (Oh my head hurts.), I come to the conclusion that Tommy has real talent. A talent for assembling deepitys.

Dan Dennett invented the term, Deepak Chopra turned it into an art form, and now Tommy wants part of the action. Go Tommy.:rolleyes:


A deepity is a proposition that seems to be profound because it is actually logically ill-formed.
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Tommy Jeppesen said:
Then stop answering. That is your choice. That is how reality works.
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Funny how reality suddenly becomes very concrete when you get to use it to bludgeon your critics. No, you don't get to make them go away just by being so insufferably pompous that they stop considering you worth their time. You should probably try to find an argument that doesn't amount to punishing people who refuse to play in your fantasy world.

My choice for the present is to stay here and keep holding your feet to the fire. Because no matter how arrogant your posture, you still can't manage to read and respond to a simple argument written in plain English. And everyone can see this. You made a claim to expertise and expected others to accept it at face value. The claim turned out to be entirely self-adjudicated, and now you're all butthurt because you failed to conceal that and now you have to try to sell the double standard you got cornered in. You get to dictate a standard to your critics, but they don't get to present a standard to you. Everything's subjective and relative, except when someone else's subjectivism doesn't feed your ego.

The question at hand is the relevance (or lack thereof) of your obsession over relativism to the statement Hawking made regarding God. It has been explained why your lectures are not relevant. Your only response has been to demand that everyone else "doesn't get it," that you are giving the only plausible philosophical analysis of the question. But since you are obviously no philosopher except in your own mind, and can't manage to understand plain English or form an argument that doesn't contradict itself, that argument falls flat. And now you're reduced to babbling the same incoherent phrases over and over again.
 
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Belz... said:
You are hopelessly confused.

The map is a thing. The thing on the map is not actually France. It's ink arranged to look like France.

Is that so difficult to understand? That we use a map to describe France doesn't mean that the drawing of France is France, or some fantasy land you can live in. It also doesn't mean that France doesn't exist, or that the map-reader has access to a different reality. Yes, we perceive reality through senses and use words to represent things but that doesn't change the fact that we have developed means to surmise whether a thought or belief represents a real thing or not. Beliefs and thoughts still exist.

How's that search for a toddler going?
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If all words describe reality and what goes on in reality is real, what does "or not" describe and is that real or unreal? Is unreal a part of reality or not a part of reality?
 
JayUtah said:
Funny how reality suddenly becomes very concrete when you get to use it to bludgeon your critics. No, you don't get to make them go away just by being so insufferably pompous that they stop considering you worth their time. You should probably try to find an argument that doesn't amount to punishing people who refuse to play in your fantasy world.
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Is that real or really unreal?

My choice for the present is to stay here and keep holding your feet to the fire. Because no matter how arrogant your posture, you still can't manage to read and respond to a simple argument written in plain English. And everyone can see this. You made a claim to expertise and expected others to accept it at face value. The claim turned out to be entirely self-adjudicated, and now you're all butthurt because you failed to conceal that and now you have to try to sell the double standard you got cornered in. You get to dictate a standard to your critics, but they don't get to present a standard to you. Everything's subjective and relative, except when someone else's subjectivism doesn't feed your ego.

The question at hand is the relevance (or lack thereof) of your obsession over relativism to the statement Hawking made regarding God. It has been explained why your lectures are not relevant. Your only response has been to demand that everyone else "doesn't get it," that you are giving the only plausible philosophical analysis of the question. But since you are obviously no philosopher except in your own mind, and can't manage to understand plain English, that argument falls flat. And now you're reduced to babbling the same incoherent phrases over and over again.
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Okay, Hawking works for you. He doesn't work for me.

You keep avoiding how religion is possible, if it is a hard brute fact that there are no gods.
You in effect treat metaphysics as a hard brute fact. It is not.
There is no single frame for all of the universe, because we are in part different as humans. You get away with "There are no gods", a theist gets away with "There is a God" and I get away with "I don't know, but I am an atheist".
Please explain how that is physically possible?
 
Think your bait's gone stale there Tommy-boy, nobody is biting.

Now how to keep you from chumming every discussion that catches your interest.
 
Tommy Jeppesen said:
Is that real or really unreal?
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No, we're not going to play your word games, Tommy. Do you concede that your claims to expertise have no evidentiary value in this forum?

Okay, Hawking works for you. He doesn't work for me.
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It's not that easy. Hawking doesn't work for you because you are trying to apply an irrelevant yardstick to him. You have not refuted him.

You keep...
You in effect treat...
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No, Tommy, we're not going to play the game where you rewrite everyone's arguments to suit your play-acting.
 
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