Cont: Brexit: Now What? Part 5

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Klimax said:
They'd have to know what they want...
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Everything.

But not that thing.

no....not that one...the one there...left a bit...no...no...right...no, I'm not going to point it out to you, you should know what I mean!
 
Filippo Lippi said:
Don't blame me, I want the whole bleddy brexit mess stopped as soon as possible
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That's just you and, by my reckoning, about 60% of the country now. Even my aged parents have come around to the fact it's a terrible idea. As have most of their aged associates.


Whatever it is that's happening now, it certainly isn't democracy.
 
The sad, and to me strange, thing is that it's probably not 60% who now oppose Brexit. The Leave vote is remarkably resilient.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
The sad, and to me strange, thing is that it's probably not 60% who now oppose Brexit. The Leave vote is remarkably resilient.
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The leave voters were less intelligent so it is natural that they are unlikely to switch sides in the face of the compelling evidence that brexit will be a disaster. On the plus side they are dying out quicker than the remainers.
 
The remainers like to drone on about leave not having a plan. They're wrong, of course, but putting that to one side, what is the remainer plan for the situation where they get their wish for a referendum re-run but lose it again? Brexit should have taught them not to ask a question without being prepared for both possible answers.
 
The reluctance of the Brexit politicians to sign up to the Irish backstop reveals them to be a pack of liars. If they really believed there was another way to keep the Irish border open through a superduper trade deal, they would sign up to it secure in the knowledge that it would never be needed.

Their refusal to sign shows that they know it will be needed and they've been lying all along.
 
ceptimus said:
The remainers like to drone on about leave not having a plan. They're wrong, of course,
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No, I think we can all see that the leave side has lots and lots of plans. We tend to prefer to point out the lack of a coherent plan.

ceptimus said:
but putting that to one side, what is the remainer plan for the situation where they get their wish for a referendum re-run but lose it again?
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To abide by the result of it, because clearly the majority would be happy with the most chaotic and economically harmful possible Brexit, given that that's clearly the kind we're most likely to get. And then to point out that the food shortages, job losses, economic downturns, falls in the quality of life and the resurgence of the IRA aren't our fault, because we honestly did all we could to prevent them.

ceptimus said:
Brexit should have taught them not to ask a question without being prepared for both possible answers.
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David Cameron is the one who most needed to learn that lesson.

Dave
 
Just over 17 million voted Leave. A bare majority of those who got out and voted. There are over 60 million people in the UK. There was never any great will to leave (and I will admit to remain, too many of my fellow countrymen were not exercised enough either way to get out and vote!) in the first place. Add to that 2 of the 4 constituent Nations of the United Kingdom and Northern Ireland voted remain in any case and it becomes clear that Leave was never the settled will of a majority of the people in these islands.
 
ceptimus said:
The remainers like to drone on about leave not having a plan. They're wrong, of course, but putting that to one side, what is the remainer plan for the situation where they get their wish for a referendum re-run but lose it again? Brexit should have taught them not to ask a question without being prepared for both possible answers.
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Yeah...no.
You see, if you campaign to prevent Stupid Plan X, then how is it your responsibility to make stupid plan X work? What bizarro universe do you occupy where it isn't actually the responsibility of the people who came up with Stupid Plan X?

I mean, if we have another referendum and Remain loses again, then I will be well prepared to point out to the twits that voted (again) for Leave that the shambles that has occurred is all their bloody fault. I have no responsibility towards this fiasco that goes beyond that.
 
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Tolls said:
You see, if you campaign to prevent Stupid Plan X, then how is it your responsibility to make stupid plan X work? What bizarro universe do you occupy where it isn't actually the responsibility of the people who came up with Stupid Plan X?
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In fact, it would be a reasonable response to ceptimus to say: If a second referendum is held, what would your plan be to ensure that the UK remains in the EU successfully? And while you're in the process of blowing up, complaining, scoffing or ridiculing the question, please record yourself, then play it back to yourself; that's my answer to your demand that I should have a plan to implement your wishes.

Dave
 
Strawberry said:
The reluctance of the Brexit politicians to sign up to the Irish backstop reveals them to be a pack of liars. If they really believed there was another way to keep the Irish border open through a superduper trade deal, they would sign up to it secure in the knowledge that it would never be needed.

Their refusal to sign shows that they know it will be needed and they've been lying all along.
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Most excellent observation, good sir. I find such rough language reminiscent of my youth, when I mixed with at least one commoner. /just kidding (Really! There surely were a few more. :o)

Further to your point and in the first place, what sort of mythical beast is any deal which would preserve all the benefits of membership while removing all its costs and duties? This impossible goal was based on runaway imaginations of some renascent "national sovereignty" mightily clearing the field of all enemies and competitors before a shining Britannia. Gee.

If one misses the cannon fire on the high seas, then one should buy a set of "Black Sails" DVDs or watch reruns of Master and Commander until terminal "flat butt" does away with them.
 
ceptimus said:
The backstop applies if the EU decides that it won't allow the other solutions to work. That's the problem - it allows the EU the option to continue to control the UK even after the UK has left.
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As I was reading the article, that is exactly what I predicted a leaver loon would say. Glad you confirmed it.
 
Hlafordlaes said:
Most excellent observation, good sir. I find such rough language reminiscent of my youth, when I mixed with at least one commoner. /just kidding (Really! There surely were a few more. :o)

Further to your point and in the first place, what sort of mythical beast is any deal which would preserve all the benefits of membership while removing all its costs and duties? This impossible goal was based on runaway imaginations of some renascent "national sovereignty" mightily clearing the field of all enemies and competitors before a shining Britannia. Gee.

If one misses the cannon fire on the high seas, then one should buy a set of "Black Sails" DVDs or watch reruns of Master and Commander until terminal "flat butt" does away with them.
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Not to sound like a tin foil hattist, but I think it was based on something more sinister than runaway imaginations and illusions of having their cake and eating it. That might apply to the ordinary saps who voted for it but not the liars who orchestrated the leave campaign.

I think they figured they could break the single market and use the Irish border to do it. The Irish government and the EU commission have scuppered their cunning plan by insisting that the Irish border is dealt with in the Withdrawal Agreement, hence the general inability of the Brexiters to know what to do next.
 
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