New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

[The Great Zaganza]

Flashback:

"Professionally, Kavanaugh is a right-wing Evangelical toady who never dissented from a straight Republican agenda. He is a quintessential yes-men."

-- The Great Zaganza (Sept 25, 2018)​

So?
He has always been hyper-partisan in order to get on the Court.
Looks like he is not going to risk his position by being overtly partisan now.
Let's wait for the serious religion/state issues before making a final judgment.

 

[Lambchops]

Flashback:

"Professionally, Kavanaugh is a right-wing Evangelical toady who never dissented from a straight Republican agenda. He is a quintessential yes-men."

-- The Great Zaganza (Sept 25, 2018)​

You really need to think twice before posting.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

The Great Zaganza: "I admit I was wrong"
Slings and Arrows: "Ha! You were wrong!"

One of these two posters was mature and fair-minded, and the other offered up a huge self-own. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which was which.

 

[P.J. Denyer]

The Great Zaganza: "I admit I was wrong"
Slings and Arrows: "Ha! You were wrong!"

One of these two posters was mature and fair-minded, and the other offered up a huge self-own. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which was which.

I was about to post something similar. Instead I'll second this.

 

[Paul2]

The Great Zaganza: "I admit I was wrong"
Slings and Arrows: "Ha! You were wrong!"

One of these two posters was mature and fair-minded, and the other offered up a huge self-own. I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader which was which.

Ooh, ooh, pick me, pick, me! I know the right answer!

 

[Segnosaur]

Praise where praise is due:
Kavanaugh (so far) has consistently avoided going out of his way to support pro-Trump causes on the Supreme Court, through recusal or by voting along precedent lines.
I didn't expect that, and I hope he stays more committed to his job than to his party and backers.

Umm... what exactly are the decisions he has been involved in?

I did some research and the only thing I could find was Kavanaugh recusing himself from a case involving Net Neutrality, but since the Trump admin has already ended Net Neutrality, I'm not sure if it would have a major effect. Are there other cases?

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/05/6644...sion-that-ok-d-obama-era-net-neutrality-rules

Perhaps if we see Kavanaugh recuse himself (or vote along more moderate lines) in more contentious cases (like those involving political issues, women's rights or abortion) then we can start to accept that perhaps he may not be as bad as we feared.

 

[Squeegee Beckenheim]

Ford has had to move 4 times and has not yet been able to return to work

 

[The Big Dog]

Seems that Ford has drunk deeply from the well that is go fund me despite borderline hysterical claims to the contrary.

 

[plague311]

RBG coming to the defense of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch in an interview:

"I can say that my two newest colleagues are very decent and very smart individuals," she said Wednesday at an event in Washington, D.C., hosted by Duke Law as she answered questions from Neil Siegel, a law professor and one of her former law clerks.

"There is a very important first on the Supreme Court this term, and it's thanks to our new justice, Justice Kavanaugh, whose entire staff is all women. All of his law clerks are women," she said earlier this month at a event held by Georgetown Law. "And with his four women as law clerks, it's the first time in the history of the United States that there have been more women clerking at the court than men."

Perhaps Kavanaugh is working a little too hard because he doesn't want an asterisks by his name for the rest of his life.

 

[Segnosaur]

RBG coming to the defense of Kavanaugh and Gorsuch in an interview:

I think that says more about the quality of RBG than Kavanaugh. She works with him, and realizes that the supreme court has to maintain a certain image to remain reputable.

Perhaps Kavanaugh is working a little too hard because he doesn't want an asterisks by his name for the rest of his life.

Umm... hard work? One of the things that he was praised for was hiring female law clerks. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I'm not sure just how much it should be considered "hard work".

 

[Aridas]

Umm... hard work? One of the things that he was praised for was hiring female law clerks. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I'm not sure just how much it should be considered "hard work".

Honestly, I saw that as little more than a combination of PR and a somewhat classic form of sexism. The "female secretary" stereotype, in particular.

'No accident' Brett Kavanaugh's female law clerks 'looked like models', Yale professor told students

So... no, I don't really give him any credit for that. Full disclosure though: I completely don't care what gender they are, in general.

 

[plague311]

I think that says more about the quality of RBG than Kavanaugh. She works with him, and realizes that the supreme court has to maintain a certain image to remain reputable.

Umm... hard work? One of the things that he was praised for was hiring female law clerks. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, I'm not sure just how much it should be considered "hard work".

He's a conservative. Giving women important work is tough for them. It should rightly be handled by men. /sarc

Honestly, I saw that as little more than a combination of PR and a somewhat classic form of sexism. The "female secretary" stereotype, in particular.

So... no, I don't really give him any credit for that. Full disclosure though: I completely don't care what gender they are, in general.

I don't really care what the women look like, I guess, as long as they're being hired at a level even to men.

I'm not saying that Kavanaugh should be lauded, RBG is saying he's a decent man. I agree, but only insofar as he's got an all female staff that has helped bolster women's numbers among the SCOTUS staff. I feel that's important.

 

[luchog]

Honestly, I saw that as little more than a combination of PR and a somewhat classic form of sexism. The "female secretary" stereotype, in particular.

'No accident' Brett Kavanaugh's female law clerks 'looked like models', Yale professor told students

Yeah. I'm not sure I want to cheer him on for hiring women just yet, given the context. I'm just sitting back waiting for the sexual harassment claims to start drifting in.

 

[applecorped]

Let it go already

 

[plague311]

Let it go already

...says the guy who came here to add literally nothing to the conversation.

 

[Ziggurat]

Yeah. I'm not sure I want to cheer him on for hiring women just yet, given the context. I'm just sitting back waiting for the sexual harassment claims to start drifting in.

And if they don't, will that change your views?

 

[Segnosaur]

Let it go already

You're right. I mean, who here hasn't attempted to rape someone, then lied to congress, all while trying to get a job that involves the legal system? I mean, that's the new normal, isn't it?

 

[Segnosaur]

Yeah. I'm not sure I want to cheer him on for hiring women just yet, given the context. I'm just sitting back waiting for the sexual harassment claims to start drifting in.

And if they don't, will that change your views?

From an earlier quoted reference (from an associate who pointed out that women who worked for him had to look a certain way to get hired), the suspicion that he's hiring these women for non-ultruistic reasons will always be there, even if he manages to keep his hands to himself.

Its like a pedophile who hangs out in a public park... maybe he's doing so just for the fresh air, but there will always be concerns that he's doing so for more nefarious purposes.

 

[Aridas]

From an earlier quoted reference (from an associate who pointed out that women who worked for him had to look a certain way to get hired), the suspicion that he's hiring these women for non-ultruistic reasons will always be there, even if he manages to keep his hands to himself.

Its like a pedophile who hangs out in a public park... maybe he's doing so just for the fresh air, but there will always be concerns that he's doing so for more nefarious purposes.

Poke: The highlighted both isn't a word and the likely intended "non-altruistic" doesn't make much sense in context. Altruism really shouldn't come into play in the first place here, though. Maybe you were thinking of the term ulterior motives, though?

Either way, I would characterize making "my subordinates should be eye-candy for me" a necessary condition for jobs like those to be distinctly problematic from the start and very much not something that a person should be praised for, even if it coincidentally had some side benefit. More poignantly, the fact that he hired all women was used to try to absolve him of his poor conduct in relation to women, despite the circumstances surrounding his decision to hire those women being further evidence of exactly that.

 

[Ziggurat]

From an earlier quoted reference (from an associate who pointed out that women who worked for him had to look a certain way to get hired), the suspicion that he's hiring these women for non-ultruistic reasons will always be there, even if he manages to keep his hands to himself.

Its like a pedophile who hangs out in a public park... maybe he's doing so just for the fresh air, but there will always be concerns that he's doing so for more nefarious purposes.

This presumes a particular disposition which hasn't been proven. My point is, would anything cause luchog to re-evaluate the supposition that he has this disposition?

If you want to use the pedophile comparison, well, pedophiles can't help themselves. They end up acting on their impulses. If someone hangs out in a public park for years without doing anything, then the "perhaps" you should consider isn't simply that he's there for the fresh air, but that maybe he isn't a pedophile.