Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

The Big Dog said:
Spectacularly frivolous post, again.

Another poster linked an article that showed the latest, most up to date, analysis,which showed that the atheist cult leaders in China have EXPANDED their pogrom.

These figures and links supporting them have been supplied time after time.

“An estimated two million Uighurs and other Muslims have been rounded up and detained in these camps where they are forced to undergo patriotic training and “de-extremification”, according to witnesses and human rights groups.”

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11...chinas-network-of-re-education-camps/10432924

There it is the same link again, which I expect you will ignore. Or perhaps you will also accuse them of lying?

Gaze upon what passes for skepticism among human rights abuses apologists: you are teh lie!

What an embarrassment.
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You definitely don't understand what you're being told.
 
David Mo said:
You definitely don't understand what you're being told.
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well, one of us doesn't, and it ain't the member citing to the latest articles containing the latest investigation into the scope of the human rights abuses.

It is likely to be the person who accused the member citing to the latest articles containing the latest investigation into the scope of the human rights abuses of, what was it? Oh right:

"You lie."

Charming...

/by the way, accusing people of lying about the subject because different estimates from third party sources show that the scope of the abuses is growing is absolutely the same tactic used by Holocaust Deniers
 
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David Mo said:
Amnesty International negationist? Bravo, baravissimo!
If this is an attempt of provocation it is desperately childish.
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“The Chinese authorities’ systematic campaign of suppression is having a devastating toll on the lives of millions of people. It’s time the authorities come clean about the camps and let families be reunited,” said Nicholas Bequelin.

Amnesty International/
 
GDon said:
C'mon. Do you think that atheists are levitating above the rest of humanity, as paragons of rationality? Are you are not at least curious about how some might build off atheism (like "materialism vs idealism" and "science vs superstition") to influence political realities?
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This is getting sillier by the post.

You initially suggest that materialism is part of the atheist creed and when I question this, change your claim to that atheists can be materialist like everyone else. Can't you see how weak your point Is?

"Leave the Chinese government out of it"? So the Chinese Communist party members are not REAL atheists?

I think this thread highlights the dangers of "woo" being defined as just "what theists do". Why people on this thread don't just admit that atheism can lead to its own streams of woo (like "Atheism +") and leave it at that, I don't know. I'm a theist. Lots of woo in theism. But maybe no woo in atheism?
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I was making a general statement about the advantage to the World at large, if we turn our back on woo. The degree of atheism of the members of the Chinese Communist Party is of no relevance to my statement.

Please give us some examples of atheist woo, but don't mix it up with Communist doctrine, or some other stuff you want to throw in and muddy the waters.
 
Thor 2 said:
You initially suggest that materialism is part of the atheist creed and when I question this, change your claim to that atheists can be materialist like everyone else. Can't you see how weak your point Is?
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That was never my point. My point is on how the metaphysical beliefs behind atheism (metaphysical naturalism, i.e. "the universe is all there is") for some atheists possibly influence their political actions. I am quoting from the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party when they frame it as "atheism vs theism", "materialism vs idealism" and "science vs superstition".

As an atheist yourself, are you not at least curious about that? The impact of atheism on actions when it is declared as a platform by a political party with real power?

Or do you think that atheism has no impact on political beliefs and real-world actions?

Thor 2 said:
I was making a general statement about the advantage to the World at large, if we turn our back on woo. The degree of atheism of the members of the Chinese Communist Party is of no relevance to my statement.

Please give us some examples of atheist woo, but don't mix it up with Communist doctrine, or some other stuff you want to throw in and muddy the waters.
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Communist doctrines ARE the point. What do YOU think they mean when they write that it is a struggle between atheism and theism? Are they acting as unbiased observers?
 
The Big Dog said:
“The Chinese authorities’ systematic campaign of suppression is having a devastating toll on the lives of millions of people. It’s time the authorities come clean about the camps and let families be reunited,” said Nicholas Bequelin.

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The figure "estimated" from interviews with 100 family members of prisoners is "more than one million", which coincides with information from the UN Committee against Racism. “Millions” refer to families who have been affected by mass internment and the disappearance of relatives and other repressive measures.

I laughed at your manipulation in increasing numbers, not that there were about a million people who are locked up. Do not mix things up.

Here the correct information without pamphletary deformations:

“No one knows exactly how many people have been detained since the crackdown began. One widely accepted estimate, published in May 2018, put the total number of detained at “anywhere between several hundred thousand and just over one million”.This range was cited by the CERD Committee in its concluding observations to its review of China.” (Amnesty International; “China: “Where Are They?” Time tor Answers About Mass Detentions in the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region”, Index: ASA17/9113/2018; September 2018.
 
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GDon said:
That was never my point. My point is on how the metaphysical beliefs behind atheism (metaphysical naturalism, i.e. "the universe is all there is") for some atheists possibly influence their political actions. I am quoting from the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party when they frame it as "atheism vs theism", "materialism vs idealism" and "science vs superstition".

As an atheist yourself, are you not at least curious about that? The impact of atheism on actions when it is declared as a platform by a political party with real power?

Or do you think that atheism has no impact on political beliefs and real-world actions?
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You are quoting a propaganda narrative. I'll give you a chance to ponder and rectify -- I know, that's tough to do; it requires of you.

Communist doctrines ARE the point. What do YOU think they mean when they write that it is a struggle between atheism and theism? Are they acting as unbiased observers?
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[Big, fat, hint.]
 
David Mo said:
You still don't understand what I write, do you? I can do it with simpler language, if you like.

And I see that the Amnesty International report has left you dizzy. I can also explain it to you if you cannot cope with it.
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You still don't understand what I write, do you? I can do it with simpler language, if you like.

And I see that the ABC report has left you dizzy. I can also explain it to you if you cannot cope with it.

I post up to date analysis issued long after and updating the earlier reports, including the Amnesty report, yet refusing to even acknowledge that maybe, perhaps... there is new evidence regarding the scope of the problem? Like three different satellite views of the camps, from nothing to large to "enormous" which was from an image from October of 2018?

Holocaust CCP Pogrom deniers. what are ya gonna do?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Please provide evidence of a pogrom in China.
How many have been killed?
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The term pogrom has multiple meanings,[1] ascribed most often to the deliberate persecution of an ethnic or religious group either approved or condoned by the local authorities

We have reached the point of the thread where apologists quibble about definitions, rather than address the deliberate persecution of all religious groups both approved or condoned by the Unyielding Marxist Atheists in China
 
GDon said:
That was never my point. My point is on how the metaphysical beliefs behind atheism (metaphysical naturalism, i.e. "the universe is all there is") for some atheists possibly influence their political actions.
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There are no beliefs, metaphysical or otherwise, behind atheism. Atheism is lack of belief.

The worldview of people influence their actions, including political actions.

I am quoting from the official newspaper of the Chinese Communist Party when they frame it as "atheism vs theism", "materialism vs idealism" and "science vs superstition".
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The Chinese Communist Party does not define atheism. They might define some "Sino-atheism" just as they define some "Sino-religiousness".

As an atheist yourself, are you not at least curious about that?
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I'm very curious about the world. And about China. I have read many books and articles about China, and I have traveled quite a bit in China.

The impact of atheism on actions when it is declared as a platform by a political party with real power?

Or do you think that atheism has no impact on political beliefs and real-world actions?
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What do you mean by 'atheism', here? Real atheism, which is simply the position that no gods exist, or some ideological position that will let a totalitarian government include religions as their enemies?

Communist doctrines ARE the point. What do YOU think they mean when they write that it is a struggle between atheism and theism? Are they acting as unbiased observers?
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Of course they are not. They are acting as people of power who don't want to share their power with some gods they consider non-existent. This is a trait of people who don't respect the worldview of others, it is not a trait of atheism.

Hans
 
The Big Dog said:
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We have reached the point of the thread where apologists quibble about definitions, rather than address the deliberate persecution of all religious groups both approved or condoned by the Unyielding Marxist Atheists in China
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Do you want to change the subject of your own thread?

Hans
 
Rincewind said:
Of course what the Chinese are doing is wrong, in my opinion.

Persecution is never right.

So, The Big Dog, what's the answer?

What can be done about this?
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I know that I have answered this previously in this thread. What do you think ought to be done?
 
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