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Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

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Slings and Arrows said:
Officials estimate the number of people in the two caravans at approximately 6,500 total:
"Over 270 individuals along the caravan route have criminal histories, including known gang membership. Those include a number of violent criminals – examples include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, sexual assault on a child, and assault on a female. Mexican officials have publicly stated that criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan.

"We know, for a fact, that some members of the caravan threatened Mexican Migration Institute personnel and we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktails.

"Reports on the ground from our foreign partners suggest that approximately 50 percent are single adults. However, the Guatemalan Intel Minister said that the caravan is employing tactics to push women and children to the front to act as human shields as the caravan pushes against its military forces."

-- The Department of Homeland Security (Nov 1, 2018)​
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Where is the quote from the Border Patrol saying that they can't handle a few thousand people at any one border crossing?

I mean, other than that is what they deal with every single day of the year, that is.
 
Pterodactyl said:
Just because someone thinks, says, and does racist things doesn’t mean they’re a racist.
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Saw an article today about King from Iowa. The guy that keeps the Confederate flag on his desk (Iowa was a union state) and rubs shoulders with white supremicists in Europe.

Those opposed to him say, "He's so very racist"

Supporters "shudder" at the suggestion he is racist. He's not racist, they say, he's just like us, and saying what we are thinking.

The implication is pretty clear - if supporters admit that he is racist, then they'd have to admit that THEY are racist, too.

They won't do that. But, having grown up in Iowa, I can say, whether they admit it or not, yeah. They are racist.

He represents them.
 
Michael Cohen quotes Trump's extensive racist remarks:
During our conversation, Cohen recalled a discussion at Trump Tower, following the then-candidate’s return from a campaign rally during the 2016 election cycle. Cohen had watched the rally on TV and noticed that the crowd was largely Caucasian. He offered this observation to his boss. “I told Trump that the rally looked vanilla on television. Trump responded, ‘That’s because black people are too stupid to vote for me.’” (The White House did not respond to multiple requests for comment.)

This conversation, he noted, was reminiscent of an exchange that the two men had engaged in years earlier, after Nelson Mandela’s death. “[Trump] said to me, ‘Name one country run by a black person that’s not a ********,’ and then he added, ‘Name one city,’” Cohen recalled, a statement that echoed the president’s alleged comments about African nations earlier this year. (White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders denied those comments at the time. She added that “no one here is going to pretend like the president is always politically correct—he isn’t.” She subsequently noted that it was “one of the reasons the American people love him.”)
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https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/11/michael-cohen-trump-racist-language
 
P.J. Denyer said:
If Trump hears this (well he'd actually hear "bwah bwah bwah bwah bwah Stripper bwah bwah bwah bwah") you can expect an immediate reversal of policy.
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Remember Selma Hayak as a stripper who turns out to be the Vampire Queen and the scene with George Clooney?
 
WilliamSeger said:
Man... even if Trump gets impeached immediately in 2019, writing "a book" about the Trump presidency will be quite a challenge for future historians, won't it. I'd guess that it'll exceed the number devoted to any other president by about an order of magnitude.
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Think about the drama that would be involved in naming a High School after him!
 
JoeMorgue said:
The Posse Comitatus Act is.... oddly worded to say the least and is one of those cornerstone laws that for some reason we really, really have to read between the lines of a lot.

Technically it's not about "enforcing laws" but it prohibits the military from enforcing the broader concept of "domestic policy" and actually only applies to the Army and Airforce, the assumption being that the Navy would be too busy doing butt stuff on the ocean and the Marines would be too busy eating crayons. Nor does it apply to National Guards or other state militias and applies to the Coast Guard pretty much only when the Coast Guard feels like it which is never.

The Posse Comitatus Act can be suspended by an act of Congress.

Now if you, say break onto a military base and run naked through the PX the MPs of the base are well within their right to arrest you. Military Police enforcing a purely military law in a purely military jurisdiction is of course a thing that can happen.

Add to this the fact that as of last time I checked the United States broadened the "Boarder Zones" where the Constitution is a vague suggestion to roughly 37 parsecs away from the boarder
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Actually, the Posse Comtiatus does not prohibit the US Army from being used to enforce civilian laws, but does put a lot conditions on their doing so.
It does not even take a act of congress for the Posse Comitatus Act to be suspended. National Guardsman deployed to a riot area are often deputized by the local authrorites to make arrests, etc.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Who will do the arresting?

The Army can't arrest them if they are on US soil and they certainly can't be arrested by anyone from the US while they are still in Mexico.
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Not quite true. The US Army can be deputized to make arrests. The Posse Comitiatus act does not absoutley prohibit the US Army being used to enforce civilian law, but sets up conditions and limitations as to the Army being used for that purpose.
 
I am amused by somebody who just quotes what Trump says and then expects all of us here to bow down and accept it as absolute truth.
 
dudalb said:
Actually, the Posse Comtiatus does not prohibit the US Army from being used to enforce civilian laws, but does put a lot conditions on their doing so.
It does not even take a act of congress for the Posse Comitatus Act to be suspended. National Guardsman deployed to a riot area are often deputized by the local authrorites to make arrests, etc.
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Are National Guardsmen the same as the regular Army?
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Officials estimate the number of people in the two caravans at approximately 6,500 total:
"Over 270 individuals along the caravan route have criminal histories, including known gang membership. Those include a number of violent criminals – examples include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, sexual assault on a child, and assault on a female. Mexican officials have publicly stated that criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan.

"We know, for a fact, that some members of the caravan threatened Mexican Migration Institute personnel and we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktails.

"Reports on the ground from our foreign partners suggest that approximately 50 percent are single adults. However, the Guatemalan Intel Minister said that the caravan is employing tactics to push women and children to the front to act as human shields as the caravan pushes against its military forces."

-- The Department of Homeland Security (Nov 1, 2018)​
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Ah, the Guatemalan Intel Minister. Be very wary of believing anything the Guatemalan 'Government' says...about anything. Trust me on that one.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Officials estimate the number of people in the two caravans at approximately 6,500 total:
"Over 270 individuals along the caravan route have criminal histories, including known gang membership. Those include a number of violent criminals – examples include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, sexual assault on a child, and assault on a female. Mexican officials have publicly stated that criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan.

"We know, for a fact, that some members of the caravan threatened Mexican Migration Institute personnel and we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktails.

"Reports on the ground from our foreign partners suggest that approximately 50 percent are single adults. However, the Guatemalan Intel Minister said that the caravan is employing tactics to push women and children to the front to act as human shields as the caravan pushes against its military forces."

-- The Department of Homeland Security (Nov 1, 2018)​
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Wow. I’m pretty sure a criminal would not give his real name to anyone who was trying to investigate the caravan. So that means we have facial identification software that can identify criminals from other countries. I would think that with technology as advanced as that, we really don’t need soldiers at the border. Federal law enforcement should be able to easily spot the criminals and turn them away.
 
dudalb said:
I am amused by somebody who just quotes what Trump says and then expects all of us here to bow down and accept it as absolute truth.
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I dunno... I'm beginning to suspect that he wants Trump and trumpers ridiculed. I'm game. :boxedin:
 
Slings and Arrows said:
Officials estimate the number of people in the two caravans at approximately 6,500 total:
"Over 270 individuals along the caravan route have criminal histories, including known gang membership. Those include a number of violent criminals – examples include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, sexual assault on a child, and assault on a female. Mexican officials have publicly stated that criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan.

"We know, for a fact, that some members of the caravan threatened Mexican Migration Institute personnel and we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktails.

"Reports on the ground from our foreign partners suggest that approximately 50 percent are single adults. However, the Guatemalan Intel Minister said that the caravan is employing tactics to push women and children to the front to act as human shields as the caravan pushes against its military forces."

-- The Department of Homeland Security (Nov 1, 2018)​
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I see you've peaked out from behind President Prison Date's skirt to tell another lie. You're doing such a good job of demonstrating why Trump supporters aren't like real Americans.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
Are National Guardsmen the same as the regular Army?
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So, this gets complicated. Under Article 32 of the US Title Code, the National Guard is a militia force under the command of the governor of their state until they are nationalized. Being nationalized means the president can bring the National Guard into the Army or the Air Force under Title 10. When operating under the command of a governor (Title 32) the National Guard can, if ordered, enforce civilian law and restore order should the need be called for. If the president calls up the Guard under Title 10 they cannot enforce civilian law unless the president waives Posse Comitatus an act to restrict the use of federal troops in enforcing civilian laws. All or nearly all states have laws on the books the prevent the National Guard from enforcing civilian laws except by explicit order of the governor.

There's also the insurrection act which gives the president powers to enforce civilian law but places limitations on when and notification requirements to Congress and provides for judicial recourse.
 
Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
Officials estimate the number of people in the two caravans at approximately 6,500 total:
"Over 270 individuals along the caravan route have criminal histories, including known gang membership. Those include a number of violent criminals – examples include aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, armed robbery, sexual assault on a child, and assault on a female. Mexican officials have publicly stated that criminal groups have infiltrated the caravan.

"We know, for a fact, that some members of the caravan threatened Mexican Migration Institute personnel and we have images showing many of them preparing Molotov cocktails.

"Reports on the ground from our foreign partners suggest that approximately 50 percent are single adults. However, the Guatemalan Intel Minister said that the caravan is employing tactics to push women and children to the front to act as human shields as the caravan pushes against its military forces."

-- The Department of Homeland Security (Nov 1, 2018)
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How many "middle easterners" did they find in the caravan?

Frankly, I don't put much stock in anything Kirstjen Nielsen says. Remember her comments regarding the Wall? No wonder Trump appointed her. Two peas in a pod.
 
Slings and Arrows said:
"Anybody throwing stones, rocks, like they did to Mexico and the Mexican military, Mexican police – where they badly hurt police and soldiers of Mexico – we will consider that a firearm because there’s not much difference when you get hit in the face with a rock. As you know, it was very violent a few days ago, very violent."

-- President Donald J. Trump (Nov 1, 2018)
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What if they throw paper towel rolls?
 
Originally Posted by Slings and Arrows View Post
"Anybody throwing stones, rocks, like they did to Mexico and the Mexican military, Mexican police – where they badly hurt police and soldiers of Mexico – we will consider that a firearm because there’s not much difference when you get hit in the face with a rock. As you know, it was very violent a few days ago, very violent."

-- President Donald J. Trump (Nov 1, 2018)
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President Donald Trump insisted Friday that when he instructed military commanders to treat rock-throwing migrants on the U.S.-Mexican border the same way they would rifle-bearing criminals, he didn't mean for them to return fire.

'I didn't say shoot!' Trump told DailyMail.com as he fielded questions before leaving the White House for campaign rallies in West Virginia and Indiana.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eant-military-open-fire-caravan-invasion.html

Ummm...yeah, basically you did.
 
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