Atheists destroy churches, attack the faithful

It is, it is! Atheism goes against human nature!
Except..

The part following except is a non sequitor.

Curious that you used the holocaust as an example rather than say... the atheist cult that is in charge of China's ongoing human rights abuses of religious people that is the actual subject of this thread...
 
Well, we know what TBD's god would say about Chinese human rights abuse:
'Sorry, mate, I can't interfere! It would infringe upon your human rights if I did!'
 
Now we have an "innate belief" in what sounds like the abrahamic god!

If it's a belief we're born with, then atheism must be physically impossible. Also polytheism and ancestor worship. Buddhism too. Animism? Not a chance! Never heard of it!

Huh. Wow. K. Oh dear. LOL.

u.s.w. etc.

Yes. It's perhaps a little strange then that monotheistic religions only happened during the last few thousand years of the at least hundred and fifty thousand years that homo sapiens have existed. It's also perhaps a little strange that no primitive cultures we know of have ever by themselves thought of a monotheistic worldview.

Well, may the wonders never cease..

Hans
 
Yes. It's perhaps a little strange then that monotheistic religions only happened during the last few thousand years of the at least hundred and fifty thousand years that homo sapiens have existed. It's also perhaps a little strange that no primitive cultures we know of have ever by themselves thought of a monotheistic worldview.

Well, may the wonders never cease..

Hans

I find it interesting that religion seems to follow along with society to a degree.

More primitive religions seem to have multiple gods, most nature oriented, just as society consisted mostly of small tribes, each with their own leader.

Civilization led to more established cities/countries, with hierarchies and such, and that got reflected in more established pantheons of deities.

Then you got the Roman empire with the one man that ruled everything, and monotheistic religions started up there.

Just idle though, I'd have to research it, but it does look like there's a lot of "as below, so above" in the development of religion :)
 
I find it interesting that religion seems to follow along with society to a degree.

More primitive religions seem to have multiple gods, most nature oriented, just as society consisted mostly of small tribes, each with their own leader.

Civilization led to more established cities/countries, with hierarchies and such, and that got reflected in more established pantheons of deities.

Then you got the Roman empire with the one man that ruled everything, and monotheistic religions started up there.

Just idle though, I'd have to research it, but it does look like there's a lot of "as below, so above" in the development of religion :)

Well, nothing strange in that. The more powerful your leader, the more powerful your god must be, except in the cultures where the leader is considered a god, e.g. ancient Egypt - and, possibly modern China, where leaders have at least aspired to godlike status. This also makes sense in the case of fighting other religions ... competitors for the position as god.

Hans
 
I find it interesting that religion seems to follow along with society to a degree.

More primitive religions seem to have multiple gods, most nature oriented, just as society consisted mostly of small tribes, each with their own leader.

Civilization led to more established cities/countries, with hierarchies and such, and that got reflected in more established pantheons of deities.

Then you got the Roman empire with the one man that ruled everything, and monotheistic religions started up there.

Just idle though, I'd have to research it, but it does look like there's a lot of "as below, so above" in the development of religion :)


An interesting question that - about monotheistic religions.

Todays religions are overwhelmingly monotheistic, and the impression I get when discussing this with the adherents, is it is almost a self evident truth that there is just one god.

The Romans did not embrace the monotheistic Christian religion until 313 AD however, and had been worshiping multiple gods for some time before this, so your idea that the one god idea was given birth there, is questionable.
 
Well, nothing strange in that. The more powerful your leader, the more powerful your god must be, except in the cultures where the leader is considered a god, e.g. ancient Egypt - and, possibly modern China, where leaders have at least aspired to godlike status. This also makes sense in the case of fighting other religions ... competitors for the position as god.

Hans

Deities certainly reflect the world view. Looking at the early part of the Old Testament ( and ignoring its obviously polytheistic / henotheistic origin for now) one can see a very limited world view. A flat earth with every type of animal being able to fit on a boat - which makes sense if there are a score of different types of birds, and a handful of mammals and reptiles that one recognises.

Look also at the Norse Gods - a lot of the magical artefacts of the deities are somewhat unimpressive to modern eyes. look at Skíðblaðnir, which is a boat that still needs wind, it just requisitions the wind it requires itself.


An interesting question that - about monotheistic religions.

Todays religions are overwhelmingly monotheistic, and the impression I get when discussing this with the adherents, is it is almost a self evident truth that there is just one god. The Romans did not embrace the monotheistic Christian religion until 313 AD however, and had been worshiping multiple gods for some time before this, so your idea that the one god idea was given birth there, is questionable.

Are they? There are a lot of Hindus.
 
Are they? There are a lot of Hindus.


Hindus are somewhat outnumbered by the followers of the god of Abraham. I have read also the Hindu god Brahma is really the only one according to some Hindu apologists, and the multitude of others just him (in disguise maybe).

Mind you the Christian three part god is a tricky one to get your head around. The explanation of this trio being one, has been the subject matter for the scribblings of many a theologian. Explanations that will make your head spin.
 
I just felt a breeze

Science

we learned something

Maybe TBD just learned something, but most of us have long known that believers in non-visible beings are convinced -- too often, with a murderous intensity -- that hogwash is good for people.

Good for Catholics anyway. Those goddamned protestants can go to hell. Literally.

Domenic, go frisk him, amen.
 
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Honest to god monotheism is harder to find than you might think. The misery religions, 'scuse me, the abrahamic cults, all include Satan in their theogonies, along with angels and demons. The catholics' little world swarms with saints, and seems to have inflated Mary into a confused sort of semi-super deity, the Muther o' Good God Himself.

I don't think genuine monotheism, Akhnaten style, is very congenial to the human mind. Our nature is too diverse, and we see too much diversity in the world, to be satisfied with One-Note Yahweh. We imagine gods too readily to be content with one, or even two or three.

Peace of mind only comes from the exercise of reason.
 
Checks in...

atheists apologists ignore human rights abuses in China...

brag about peace of mind that only ignoring human rights abuses can bring, I guess.

Oy vey.
 
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Here is one atheist who is very much concerned about human rights abuses in China. Just found this item of news which is most disturbing:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11...chinas-network-of-re-education-camps/10432924


No talk of converting folk to atheism however just converting them to accept the "Chinese way of life" and such.

I image the doctrine of communism will be pushed and maybe the Chinese sanctioned version of Catholicism - under the benevolent gaze of the Pope no doubt.
 
Here is one atheist who is very much concerned about human rights abuses in China. Just found this item of news which is most disturbing:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11...chinas-network-of-re-education-camps/10432924


No talk of converting folk to atheism however just converting them to accept the "Chinese way of life" and such.

I image the doctrine of communism will be pushed and maybe the Chinese sanctioned version of Catholicism - under the benevolent gaze of the Pope no doubt.

Does the sanctioned version of Catholicism include the Pedophilia?
 
Thread summary: Big Truther concerned competing Big Truthers don't want them around in China. Since Big Truth is the problem, OP has to go shopping for slander.

For those wearing GOP glasses and needing simpler terms: "Oh, look, humans do things! Those killers are not my tribe, so, they are evil. Simple! My tribe only kill when tribe-God say so. We good! Them bad.... Huh? Tribalism? Wuzzat?"
 
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Surely it falls under "control first, then eradicate." Lots of examples like that, e.g. vermin eradication. Like slowly boiling the frog, the Chinese government will gradually try to remove the influence of the Vatican from Chinese lives, aware that to do so too quickly would inflame tensions with other countries where Catholic influence is strong.

From Asia News last week:
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Chin...nes-in-Shanxi-and-Guizhou-(videos)-45306.html

The sinicisation campaign began last February, with new regulations on religious activities. The destruction of churches, crosses, paintings, etc. began in Henan, Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia and spread to Zhejiang, Jiangxi and other provinces.
Since the Sino-Vatican agreement was signed, the pace of destruction has increased.


Look at a religion that has had little influence outside China: Falun Gong. From Wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong

Falun Gong practitioners in China are reportedly subject to a wide range of human rights abuses: hundreds of thousands are estimated to have been imprisoned extrajudicially,[3] and practitioners in detention are subject to forced labor, psychiatric abuse, torture, and other coercive methods of thought reform at the hands of Chinese authorities...

Xinhua News Agency, the official news organization of the Communist Party, declared that Falun Gong is "opposed to the Communist Party of China and the central government, preaches idealism, theism and feudal superstition."[165] Xinhua also asserted that "the so-called 'truth, kindness and forbearance' principle preached by [Falun Gong] has nothing in common with the socialist ethical and cultural progress we are striving to achieve", and argued that it was necessary to crush Falun Gong to preserve the "vanguard role and purity" of the Communist Party.[166] Other articles appearing in the state-run media in the first days and weeks of the ban posited that Falun Gong must be defeated because its "theistic" philosophy was at odds with the Marxist–Leninism paradigm and with the secular values of materialism...

State propaganda initially used the appeal of scientific rationalism to argue that Falun Gong's worldview was in "complete opposition to science" and communism.[210] For example, the People's Daily asserted on 27 July 1999, that the fight against Falun Gong "was a struggle between theism and atheism, superstition and science, idealism and materialism."

We already seen reports on how the Chinese government treat the Muslim Uygurs. What do you think China will eventually say about Catholicism? I hardly doubt that the "struggle between theism and atheism", "superstition and science" and "idealism and materialism" will continue and be broadened.

GDon: With all due respect, you've arrived a bit late at the party. These points have already been done to death earlier in the thread. I suggest you have a look back at what I and several other posters have said about this, because I really don't feel like doing this all over again.
 
GDon: With all due respect, you've arrived a bit late at the party. These points have already been done to death earlier in the thread. I suggest you have a look back at what I and several other posters have said about this, because I really don't feel like doing this all over again.
I was answering your question to The Big Dog: "However, your answer still does not explain why the Chinese government would approve of something that, according to you, they want to destroy."

Did I answer that question satisfactorily?
 
Thread summary: Big Truther concerned competing Big Truthers don't want them around in China. Since Big Truth is the problem, OP has to go shopping for slander.

For those wearing GOP glasses and needing simpler terms: "Oh, look, humans do things! Those killers are not my tribe, so, they are evil. Simple! My tribe only kill when tribe-God say so. We good! Them bad.... Huh? Tribalism? Wuzzat?"

Folks, the real victims here are not the 2 million people the Unyielding Marxist Atheists have put in camps, it is the Atheist Cult's apologists.

Anyone else notice the irony in that second paragraph?
 
Folks, the real victims here are not the 2 million people the Unyielding Marxist Atheists have put in camps, it is the Atheist Cult's apologists.

Anyone else notice the irony in that second paragraph?

Do you actually care anything about human rights?

I have asked you this question many times and you have never answered it.
 

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