From earlier:
To the moderators and admins. Just ban me, because I dare claim that among us are delusional people. I am tired of this 3rd person work around. E.g. religious people are delusional(happened up thread), but that says nothing about any posters here, because no poster here is religious.
So is the following a fact as of now and the future? (*what if yet doesn't come and that yet is philosophy, more later)
There is at least one aspect of the universe which science can't answer with evidence/proof/as a fact!
Notice you have yourself admitted it in the second quote, so you can of course contradict yourself and claim that science can answer everything. Just as I accept that there are other humans who contradict themselves, I accept that you can do that. I will just point this out:
Google: delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression maintained despite being contradicted by reality or rational argument, typically as a symptom of mental disorder.
Now I am delusional myself, since I have a psychiatric disorder, which makes me in limited sense delusional. So because I accept that I am delusional, I also accept that in other humans.
*So back to (yet). Yet is about the future for which we hit the limit of induction.
Just because science has advanced in the amount of knowledge, doesn't mean that there will come a time, where science can explain everything. To claim that there WILL come such a time is irrational and thus delusional. To claim that there never WILL come such a time is also irrational and thus delusional.
The answer is that it is unknown for the present. This is one of the points of being a skeptic, to accept that there can be something unknown at the present.
So here it is as for what is at play:
Either you accept that there can be something unknown even if we apply science or you contradict yourself and thus you are delusional.
Now comes the second part:
We have one case of the unknown when it comes to cosmology. So now we check if there are at least one more case?!!
And it turns out there is: A Boltzmann Brain.
The joke is that scientists can't agree on the probability of you being a Boltzmann Brain. It means 2 things:
- They can't yet observe whether anybody is a Boltzmann Brain or not, so that is an unknown.
- The actual probability can't be known through reasoning alone.
So here is what that means for cosmology and theoretical physics and science in general:
It can't be known what the universe really is, unless you are the creator of the universe.
So let us look closer at what is at play.
You don't control the universe, the universe controls you. You are caused by the universe and you only know first person through your mind and you don't control what you experience in your mind, because that is caused by the universe.That means that you can't know whether you are in a universe, which is independently (objective) of your mind as you experience in your mind or whether the universe is otherwise objective.
That is not unique to being a Boltzmann Brain or not. It is a fundamental condition
as long as you are not the creator of the universe and applies to all humans, not just you.
As for gods, gods inside the universe are not the same as cosmological gods, because being inside the universe and not inside are not the same. To claim that is the same is a contradiction and delusional.
So here is what is at play:
You, I and anybody else can't know through observation what reality really is and nobody can control it through reason/logic. It marks the limit of both empirical and rational evidence.
It is not that the god(s) hide(s). It is that you, I and everybody else don't control the universe, the universe controls us. We are all in the same boat.
We have no evidence for what reality really is and we can't control it through reason/logic.
We all when we reflect on this realize that
we are in the same boat. Only those, who haven't reflected, claim a knowledge, if they do so, that they don't have. And that is not limited to religious people.
The joke is that atheism or theism don't matter. What matters** in whether you are a gnostic or agnostic when it comes to what the universe really is.
That is the end game of science and philosophy combined as far as knowledge goes.
**So if facts matter, then it matters if it is fact, that there is a limit to epistemology. That is what makes me a skeptic in part. And it doesn't matter that you are not a skeptic as it stands or if you are in fact delusional;
what matters is this: The inherent worth and dignity of every person.That includes you, I and everybody else. Regardless of whether that human is delusional or not.
And that is an act of belief. You either believe in it or you don't.
I believe. And that has nothing to do with being religious or not. It has to do with the fact that I get this:
"How often have I said to you that when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? Arthur Conan Doyle"
It is impossible for you to be the creator of the universe, thus it is the truth that you don't really know what the objective universe is.Notice - just claim that you are God, or you know God and you are off the hook.
So if you want it with science, philosophy and belief, here it is:
Always include Lawrence Kohlberg, John Rawls and the belief in the inherent worth and dignity of every person.
There is more in practice, but you need those 3 aspects, unless you go for - I only do it, if there is something in it for me, no matter how it affects other humans. That one is also possible.
Regards
PS
I am at least sometimes rational enough to admit, that there are times, when I am not. That can't be said of all members of this forum and
if we want to advance knowledge they have to learn that!!!
