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baron said:
My God, people actually believe this crap? It's pretty easy to defend free speech when free speech is defined as stuff you agree with, not to mention morally bankrupt.
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Good so defend free speech on facebook as it relates to the genocide in Myanmar and facebook.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebook-genocide.html

Free speech works and ok so it causes genocide now and then but that is a price the worthless will have to pay! Deplatforming those encouraging the genocide is the wrong course of action.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Good so defend free speech on facebook as it relates to the genocide in Myanmar and facebook.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebook-genocide.html

Free speech works and ok so it causes genocide now and then but that is a price the worthless will have to pay! Deplatforming those encouraging the genocide is the wrong course of action.
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And this is why it's impossible to explain to some people what free speech is. They see any speech they disagree with to be the equivalent of actual genocide. Lunacy.
 
baron said:
And this is why it's impossible to explain to some people what free speech is. They see any speech they disagree with to be the equivalent of actual genocide. Lunacy.
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No they see speech fueling and driving genocide. Which is exactly what is happening in Myanmar. How do you deal with that? It seems to be deny that it exists.
 
It should also be noted that free speech applies - even in the US - only to government suppression of speech. In the case under discussion, it appears to have been private actors acting against other private actors. Free speech doesn't apply.
 
baron said:
My God, people actually believe this crap? It's pretty easy to defend free speech when free speech is defined as stuff you agree with, not to mention morally bankrupt.
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Nice that you've noticed that this is not just some game for online nazis and 4chan halfwits - that actual lives are on the line.

Now, are you going to correct your own course, or will you just go right into racial hatred?
 
uke2se said:
It should also be noted that free speech applies - even in the US - only to government suppression of speech. In the case under discussion, it appears to have been private actors acting against other private actors. Free speech doesn't apply.
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It's not a free speech issue, it's a criminal violence issue. There's a wide variety of laws to deal with masked thugs who crack heads.
 
uke2se said:
It should also be noted that free speech applies - even in the US - only to government suppression of speech. In the case under discussion, it appears to have been private actors acting against other private actors. Free speech doesn't apply.
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Well in Myanmar it would be private actors (facebook) suppressing government(military) speech. Genocide now and then is just the price we are willing to pay(well ok other people dying anyway) for the idea that the free exchange of ideas unaffected by facts and data is the best principle in the world.
 
ponderingturtle said:
No they see speech fueling and driving genocide. Which is exactly what is happening in Myanmar. How do you deal with that? It seems to be deny that it exists.
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Encouragement to genocide is not free speech. The problem comes, as we see, when anybody who fails to pander to far left ideals is accused of 'calling for genocide'. Lauren Southern, Milo, Jared Taylor, Steve Bannon, the list is endless. And we are told this like it's true, as if we're meant to believe it! Like when the most privileged youngsters on the planet go into meltdown when their unending search for racial prejudice turns up a sentiment with which they disagree and they fling themselves around their campus wailing, "You're killing us! You're killing us!"

Mumbles said:
Nice that you've noticed that this is not just some game for online nazis and 4chan halfwits - that actual lives are on the line.

Now, are you going to correct your own course, or will you just go right into racial hatred?
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I'm perfectly capable of setting forth my own argument, but since you insist on helping out then yes, the mindset which prompts one person to call another racist simply for standing up for free speech is truly unbalanced.
 
uke2se said:
Thank Dog nobody is talking about setting up a Communist state in the US then. The same can't be said of the other side.
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I've been watching right-wing mental defectives "talk" about their white power wet dream since the 1960's. I witnessed one attempt to recruit my father (cops are all racist!) and take a pretty good beating in return after he used the time honored pejorative for blacks. after using the word.

It ain't any closer to reality today than it was then.
 
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baron said:
I'm perfectly capable of setting forth my own argument, but since you insist on helping out then yes, the mindset which prompts one person to call another racist simply for standing up for free speech is truly unbalanced.
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It isn't Free Speech to call someone a racist?
 
baron said:
Encouragement to genocide is not free speech.
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Of course it is, it is setting out a political opinion. Now we are getting into weird grounds of all speech must be free but not that. Calls for genocide are certainly covered by the first amendment in the US and so in the US it is protected free speech no matter what you want it to be. So now you are trying to limit free speech in the US.



I'm perfectly capable of setting forth my own argument, but since you insist on helping out then yes, the mindset which prompts one person to call another racist simply for standing up for free speech is truly unbalanced.
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Then make one about how to deal with the spread of this kind of speech in Myanmar.
 
BStrong said:
I've been watching right-wing mental defectives "talk" about their white power wet dream since the 1960's. I witnessed one attempt to recruit my father (cops are all racist!) and take a pretty good beating in return after he used the time honored pejorative for blacks. after using the

It ain't any closer to reality today than it was then.
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I think that's dangerously naive.
 
ponderingturtle said:
Of course it is, it is setting out a political opinion.
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A political opinion is not enticement to genocide.

ponderingturtle said:
Now we are getting into weird grounds of all speech must be free but not that. Calls for genocide are certainly covered by the first amendment in the US and so in the US it is protected free speech no matter what you want it to be. So now you are trying to limit free speech in the US.
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That's the maddest argument I've heard this week. Not only am I a hate monger for standing up for free speech, I've now eaten my own racist tail and am actually trying to limit free speech! -

Hang on a minute, I just have to re-gag this Myanmar Muslim in my closet, he seems to have got free.

ponderingturtle said:
Then make one about how to deal with the spread of this kind of speech in Myanmar.
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What kind of speech? Free speech requires no dealing. If there is incitement to violence then it does not fall under the banner of free speech and should be addressed using the legal framework of the country concerned.
 
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baron said:
You think unbalanced speech should be illegal? God give us strength.
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Read our exchange again.

You said that it is unbalanced to call someone racist for exercising free speech.
But since calling someone racist is Free speech, how can it be unbalanced?
 
ponderingturtle said:
No they see speech fueling and driving genocide. Which is exactly what is happening in Myanmar. How do you deal with that? It seems to be deny that it exists.
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I suspect that the people committing these extra-judicial killings in Myanmar feel they are doing so for the good of their society and their victims deserve what is happening to them. In fact, the victims have brought it upon themselves. It's the ugly extreme of mob justice.
 
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