Democrats = Antifa = BS

uke2se said:
Possibly.

Not Antifa though.

I'd like for you to provide evidence for this.

No, Antifa doesn't have an anarchist wing. Antifa doesn't have wings.

All of them are sincere anti-fascists.

Who?

I get you. You don't want to have to fight for democracy, so you don't really want anyone else doing it either, as it reflects poorly on you.
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Sounds pretty defensive.

Do you have a counter-point to make to baron's link?
 
JoeMorgue said:
That seems like that's the sort of thing that's really, really important to people who think "The Political Spectrum" is... like a real thing that exists in nature as some law of the universe and isn't just a handy shorthand we created for common, but not inherent, statistical clustering.

Barbers don't have to apologize for murderers who decapitate their victims and they still wouldn't if we created an arbitrary spectrum of people based on how much of a body they cut off.
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Where I disagree, is that lots of folks, probably most believe the political spectrum is a thing, the place where appearances most matter is politics. I think there's value in making it clear, political violence is not cool and distancing yourself from extremists that others might associate with you regardless of whether you associate with said extremists.
 
ahhell said:
Where I disagree, is that lots of folks, probably most believe the political spectrum is a thing, the place where appearances most matter is politics. I think there's value in making it clear, political violence is not cool and distancing yourself from extremists that others might associate with you regardless of whether you associate with said extremists.
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I distance myself from extremists. I simply don't think fighting fascists is an extremist position.
 
uke2se said:
I distance myself from extremists. I simply don't think fighting fascists is an extremist position.
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IMHO, it very much matters what methods you use to fight fascism and who you call a fascist. As has been noted by others, since roughly the late 40s, fascist means whatever the speaker wants it too. Usually, people I don't like.
 
baron said:
There are no good Antifa, just like there are no good Nazis (apart from dead ones, in both cases). Again, I stress I'm not an expert on US politics, but I don't see many conservatives balaclava'd up roaming the country doling out violence and intimidation to people whose speech they disagree with.
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I am not defending them, and they are fictionalized, however:
 
uke2se said:
Possibly.

Not Antifa though.



I'd like for you to provide evidence for this.



No, Antifa doesn't have an anarchist wing. Antifa doesn't have wings.



All of them are sincere anti-fascists.



Who?



I get you. You don't want to have to fight for democracy, so you don't really want anyone else doing it either, as it reflects poorly on you.
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Look up the collective writings of Caveman1917.
 
We had an incident here in Portland recently where antifa closed down a street and then redirected traffic, fantasy role playing being traffic cops (emulating their enemy). Those that were not obedient and submissive to their authoritah were harassed and threatened (I suppose they must be fascists, racist, and alt right for being anti antifa)
The notion that they are "explicitly anti fascist" means nothing. So is Nashi, the Putin Youth movement. They go to demonstrations and beat up and intimidate anti Putin "fascists"
 
Belz... said:
Aren't you the one who went from supporting punching nazis to supporting punching an ever-growing group of people you find deplorable?

I'd call that a bit extremist, though it might just you being a keyboard warrior.
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I repeat somebody is looking an Antifa through rose colored glasses.
 
The Proud Boys say they have an initiation process that has four stages and includes hazing. The first stage is a loyalty oath, the second is getting punched until the person recites pop culture trivia, the third is getting a tattoo and agreeing to not masturbate, and the fourth is getting into a major fight 'for the cause.'
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uke2se said:
I distance myself from extremists. I simply don't think fighting fascists is an extremist position.
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Explain why looting a small store during a demonstration is "fighting Fascism" as I personally saw some protestors, who I think would consider themselves Antifa do, when I was in Berkeley last year.
 
theprestige said:
What did you expect? It's not like any significant republicans support neo Nazis.
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Incorrect, no soup for you.

If a Democrat said that some of Antifa were very fine people, it would be cited and tallied.

If a Democrat re-tweeted Antifa on multiple instances, it would be cited and tallied.

If a Democrat pretended not to know what Antifa was, it probably wouldn't be tallied, but we'd all rightfully think this person was a liar who was catering to Antifa.

I could go on, and will do so later.

See, I answer your questions even though you ignore mine.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Nazis have an end-goal.
Antifa wants to prevent that, not set up their own system.
So very different.
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Not just very different, utter poles apart in philosophy. Anyone who thinks antifa and nazis are two chips off the same block, knows nothing about these fringe elements in politics, and hasn't been paying even the slightest attention.

Nazis and neo-Nazis are a structured, well organised group of thugs whose stated aim is white, Aryan supremacy. They hate blacks, hate Hispanics, and especially they hate Jews. The also hate whites who aren't with them (they call them "race traitors"). They are the embodiment of race hatred.

Antifa, on the other hand, are a disorganised rabble with a general aim of opposing Nazis anywhere they find them, and by any means necessary.

If Nazis were to disappear, antifa would disappear also. The same cannot be said of the reverse.
 
uke2se said:
I distance myself from extremists. I simply don't think fighting fascists is an extremist position.
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Supporting extrajudicial violence and vigilantism without due process of law is an extreme position and when you say you support fighting fascists, fascists according to whom exactly?
https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2018/08/he_brought_an_american_flag_to.html
He brought an American flag to protest fascism in Portland. Then antifa attacked him
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And as always, the onion nails it:
https://politics.theonion.com/antifa-organizers-announce-plans-to-disrupt-neo-nazi-ra-1819580235
BERKELEY, CA—Vowing to derail whichever event it is by any means necessary, local Antifa organizers announced plans Monday to disrupt an upcoming neo-Nazi rally or whatever else is going on that day. “We will stop at nothing to prevent these vile ******* neo-Nazi hatemongers from gathering, or, if not them, someone else,” said Sarah Jackson, 26, adding that the only way to end the spread of fascism is to physically confront Nazis, peaceful right-wing protesters, or just random people going about their daily lives. “We need to tell these Hitler-loving ***** or whoever else is standing there, ‘Get out of our city!’
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