Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

Status
Not open for further replies.
Stacyhs said:
About the same, as I remember. There were huge demonstrations just like we saw just after the election. The main difference is that the divisiveness wasn't coming directly from the president like it is today. The president wasn't holding rallies in which he promoted the kind of hostility we see Trump doing.
Click to expand...
Republican senator Ben Sasse has written a book called: "Them: Why We Hate Each Other - And How To Heal." He also puts forward ideas on how to fix divisions in American society.

Of course, it should be noted that Sasse is a complete and utter hypocrite. Much like Flake and Collins, who will criticize Trump but ant the end of the day line up to vote for whatever makes him happy, Sasse has voted for the president a majority of the time (including the nomination for Kavenaugh and the tax bill that was crammed through with little consultation.) He blames both the left wing and right wing for "demonizing" their opponents, but ignores the fact that the Republicans were basically the ones that started us on the path of hyperpartisanship.

American society may need healing, but its certainly not going to come from a 2-faced Trump boot-licker like Sasse.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/13/them-review-ben-sasse-trump

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/15/6561...ways-to-move-america-beyond-divisive-politics
 
Last edited:
kookbreaker said:
Trump is calling the bugaboo of a caravan a “National Emergency”. Something he has craved to increase his approval rating.
Click to expand...

He actually called it a “National Emergy”. He should have had another cup of covfefe before that particular idiotic tweet.

Sure, his shrill, panicky tweets and impotent rage over a bunch of poor people walking toward the U.S. southern border over several months is amusing. It’s just not nearly as important as his corruption, treason, incompetence, Klan-coddling, debasement of women, tax evasion, deficit-pumping, and general screwing up of America.
 
Stacyhs said:
No, I haven't forgotten them. I'd say they're on a par with the demonstrations that happened just after Trump's election.
The main difference between then an now is that none of the presidents during those time reveled in the divisiveness and promoted it. None egged one side one against the other at rallies like Trump does. No, he is unique among US presidents...and not in a good way.
Click to expand...

I dont disagree that Trump deliberately sows division. He is unique. I hate him with the heat of a thousand suns. (How's that for hyperbole?) But I really don't think we are that divided...except maybe about how big a turd Trump is. At least not compared to the Vietnam War in the 60s early 70s.
 
At a rally held in Texas, by Donald on behalf of Ted. The Trump turned his back on Ted Cruz, and pulled his pants down. Cruz got on his knees and firmly planted his face in the Don's derriere. After such a symbolic show of deference, 45 declared that Cruz is no longer "Lyin' Ted" but "Beautiful Ted."
 
Trump clarifies that 2018 is not a 'real election'

In an important development, Donald Trump has confirmed that the midterms coming up on November 6th are not a “real election,” sending an unmistakable signal to his supporters that they need not—and in fact probably should not—bother to turn out to vote, in what looks increasingly like a futile effort to maintain a Republican majority.

From Politico (h/t to Talking Points Memo, linked above):

According to two people familiar with the conversations, Trump is distancing himself from a potential Republican thumping on Election Day. He’s telling confidants that he doesn’t see the midterms as a referendum on himself, describing his 2020 reelection bid as “the real election.”
Click to expand...
Click to expand...

...As a general rule, I do not support reduced voter participation. Still, there's a certain irony to be found here, if true.

ETA: On a darker, related note, though... Donald Trump May Call 2018 Election 'Illegitimate' Should Democrats Take Control of Congress, Carl Bernstein Says

"I talked to people...in touch with the White House on Friday who believe that if the congressional midterms are very close and the Democrats were to win by five or seven seats, that Trump was already talking about how to throw legal challenges into the courts, sow confusion, declare a victory, actually, and say that the election's been illegitimate," Bernstein told host Brian Stelter. "That is really under discussion in the White House."
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
Stacyhs said:
Yes. I have never seen the country so polarized. The last time the country was this divided was the Civil War but Trump has managed it. He revels in the divisiveness and feeds on it. I think he sees it as a measure of his power. If Trump truly cared for this country, he'd be working to bring us together but everything he does works to widening the chasm.
Click to expand...


What others (Antifa/Democrats) are saying:

"Everyone in the US: start shooting fascists now.

"I repeat: it's time to start shooting the bastards, America. You have reached the stage at which little time remains to stop the momentum and the humanitarian cost of civil war no longer clearly exceeds that of not doing so."

-- Andre (Oct 21, 2018)​


"That's what this new Democratic Party is about." -- Eric Holder
 
Last edited:
Slings and Arrows said:
What others (Antifa/Democrats) are saying:

"Everyone in the US: start shooting fascists now.

"I repeat: it's time to start shooting the bastards, America. You have reached the stage at which little time remains to stop the momentum and the humanitarian cost of civil war no longer clearly exceeds that of not doing so."

-- Andre (Oct 21, 2018)​


"That's what this new Democratic Party is about." -- Eric Holder
Click to expand...

:dl:

Nice try, Agent Trollskie!
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Wasn't it far worse during the Vietnam war?
Click to expand...
It was different. Hard to compare worseness.

With the Vietnam War it was an external cause even though the country was divided for and against. At the same time the Civil Rights movement, the women's movement, and a revolution with music, drugs and sex were overlaid.

That's different from a potentially dangerous fascist growing an army of cult followers, ignoring law and the Constitution and with the other branches of government failing to do their check and balance.

And what Stacyhs said, Nixon only campaigned to the silent majority. He wasn't going to rallies riling up the masses.
 
Last edited:
Minoosh said:
Some of the time, but eventually, with 58,000 U.S. troops dead and no end in sight, I think sentiment was fairly unified.
Click to expand...
At the time I thought so, but when I saw old news clips of people in Kent, Ohio saying it was the students' fault they were killed, I was forced to rethink my memory of the events.
 
Last edited:
Skeptic Ginger said:
At the time I thought so, but when I saw old news clips of people in Kent, Ohio saying it was the students' fault they were killed, I was forced to rethink my memory of the events.
Click to expand...

Ah, good ol' blind authoritarianism. Might makes right!

It's a beautiful thang. :(
 
Last edited:
Slings and Arrows said:
What others (Antifa/Democrats) are saying:

"Everyone in the US: start shooting fascists now.

"I repeat: it's time to start shooting the bastards, America. You have reached the stage at which little time remains to stop the momentum and the humanitarian cost of civil war no longer clearly exceeds that of not doing so."

-- Andre (Oct 21, 2018)​


"That's what this new Democratic Party is about." -- Eric Holder
Click to expand...

:rolleyes:

To stop Sharice Davids in Kansas 3rd, Republicans again stoop to racism. How does Davids respond?

Michelle Obama said “when they go low we go high” but Sharice Davids found a new way — she went low, and not with a personal attack. Upon seeing a complete stranger at an event had a flat tire, she rolled up her sleeves and got as low as you could go — to the ground — to help jack up and change their tire.

This is the Kansas way. This is what we, as Kansans, are about: we help our neighbor. Dressed in a nice outfit to meet voters? It doesn’t matter.
Click to expand...

Yeah... most Democrats like concepts like Property Rights. That makes much of the the Antifa and Democratic Party like oil and water. Both certainly are in opposition to the current GOP, though, yes. And that honestly should be cause for serious self-reflection for the GOP.

Instead, we've got a whole bunch of GOP-driven fearmongering about a caravan of people on foot that's still 1850 miles away from reaching a place where they can apply for entry.
 
People on the left tried to affect change with Occupy Wall Street - and didn't get much support from Democrats and a lot of **** from everyone else.
Is it any wonder that they would drive more to the extreme, especially when it is clear that the Executive will shield neo-nazis more than unarmed people of color?

It will be up to the Democrats to entice left-wing radicals to return to normal political life - but for that, they will have to prove that this Democracy still works.
 
Lambchops said:
Lol, so it's "Antifa/Democrats" now?

Then I suppose it's also "Proud Boys/Republicans". Right?

Neat-o!
Click to expand...

In the latter case, they've cooperated both in NYC and in Florida, so that would actually be more reasonable than connecting the dems and antifa directly.

Helps that "Antifa" isn't actually an organization, while "Proud Boys" is clearly a street gang, right down to the ritual of beating in new members.
 
Mumbles said:
In the latter case, they've cooperated both in NYC and in Florida, so that would actually be more reasonable than connecting the dems and antifa directly.

Helps that "Antifa" isn't actually an organization, while "Proud Boys" is clearly a street gang, right down to the ritual of beating in new members.
Click to expand...

Exactly. :thumbsup:
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Back
Top Bottom