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Hawking says there are no gods

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David Mo said:
It takes an expert to change a pipe or fix a computer. An expert is not required when the issue is not based on specialized knowledge that hardly anyone can master. Since God is not a pipe, anyone can give their reasoned opinion and it will be worth whatever their reasons are worth.

Hawking has resurrected Laplace: if my system explains what needs to be explained, why do I want a god? If I fix the pipe with my tools, why do I want the guardian angel? "I never found a guardian angel in my toolbox, sire".
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This is the point.

I come to the conclusion via a different route. God beliefs are explicable (human generated myths). And after you explain god beliefs, there is no evidence left that needs an explanation.
 
The Big Dog said:
You know who would have found that joke funny?

Stephen Hawking. I mean not laugh out loud funny or slap his knee, but...
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The Big Dog is playing to provoke, as is usual in him because he's got nothing to say. Only this time the provocation is quite disgusting. Even his father confessor would be disgusted with it. Laughing at a disabled is not Christian and in addition the joke wasn't funny. Double penance.
There's no point in following him down this path.
 
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Thor 2 said:
Stephen Hawking said:
"We have finally found something that doesn’t have a cause, because there was no time for a cause to exist in," Hawking wrote. "For me this means that there is no possibility of a creator, because there is no time for a creator to have existed in."
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Hawking had a (perfectly good) model of the big bang in which there is no time before the big bang. His model shows us that such a cosmology is possible and consistent with what we know. But that doesn't mean that other cosmologies that are also consistent with what we know aren't possible.

For instance, here's a quote from Sean Carroll:
https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2017/01/25/what-happened-at-the-big-bang/
So what I did to fill my time was two things. First, I talked about different ways the universe could have existed before the Big Bang, classifying models into four possibilities (see Slide 7):

1.Bouncing (the universe collapses to a Big Crunch, then re-expands with a Big Bang)
2. Cyclic (a series of bounces and crunches, extending forever)
3. Hibernating (a universe that sits quiescently for a long time, before the Bang begins)
4. Reproducing (a background empty universe that spits off babies, each of which begins with a Bang)

I don’t claim this is a logically exhaustive set of possibilities, but most semi-popular models I know fit into one of the above categories. Given my own way of thinking about the problem, I emphasized that any decent cosmological model should try to explain why the early universe had a low entropy, and suggested that the Reproducing models did the best job.
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angrysoba said:
So the all-loving ever-merciful God smited him with ALS and the goodly, godly TBD thinks it is funny, eh?

Of course, clever humans managed to make better and better wheelchairs, speech technology and medical equipment.

But you prefer God, do you?
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Have to thank God that Hawking wasn't born in the UK where a death panel would have ordered his death!
 
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Hungry81 said:
Lol mockery of the disabled just like Jesus would do eh? Do you laugh at Cristians with ALS and other dibilitting conditions? What about Christian amputees?
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Don't forget God had already rejected Hawking

Leviticus 21

16*The LORD said to Moses, 17 “Say to Aaron: ‘For the generations to come none of your descendants who has a defect may come near to offer the food of his God. 18*No man who has any defect may come near: no man who is blind or lame, disfigured or deformed; 19 no man with a crippled foot or hand, 20 or who is hunchbacked or dwarfed, or who has any eye defect, or who has festering or running sores or damaged testicles. 21 No descendant of Aaron the priest who has any defect is to come near to present the offerings made to the LORD by fire. He has a defect; he must not come near to offer the food of his God.*22 He may eat the most holy food of his God, as well as the holy food; 23 yet because of his defect, he must not go near the curtain or approach the altar, and so desecrate my sanctuary. I am the LORD, who makes them holy.

Also was thinking, Hawking could be the first to speak to us from death, rig up his speech synthesiser to a Ouija board!
 
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Roboramma said:
Hawking had a (perfectly good) model of the big bang in which there is no time before the big bang. His model shows us that such a cosmology is possible and consistent with what we know. But that doesn't mean that other cosmologies that are also consistent with what we know aren't possible.

For instance, here's a quote from Sean Carroll:
https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2017/01/25/what-happened-at-the-big-bang/
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Hibernating fails as there was no time in which to be dormant. (Only if current understanding is correct of course)
 
Darat said:
Hibernating fails as there was no time in which to be dormant. (Only if current understanding is correct of course)
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The point of my post was that we don't know if there was a time before the big bang or not. Carroll has published papers on models which include a time before the big bang. They are consistent with modern cosmology.

Hawking's model is also consistent with modern cosmology, but it's not the only possibility.

The truth is that we just don't know at this point.
 
The Big Dog said:
Everyone who thinks there is no God, take one step forward.

Hmm, Hawking didn’t take a step forward. God bless Him!
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What would Jesus say to this? I doubt this sort of behavior was what he had in mind when he had an afternoon of gay BDSM sex with some Romans so he could forgive sins.
 
David Mo said:
The Big Dog is playing to provoke, as is usual in him because he's got nothing to say. Only this time the provocation is quite disgusting. Even his father confessor would be disgusted with it. Laughing at a disabled is not Christian and in addition the joke wasn't funny. Double penance.
There's no point in following him down this path.
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My thoughts exactly.
I wonder why anyone would be so desperate for attention that they would stoop to this. That someone would deliberately attempt to make people disgusted with them is simply baffling to me.
 
p0lka said:
1. Did stephen hawking say there's no possibility of god?
2. Who made stephen hawking the expert on god?
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Lack of any evidence for a god despite thousands of years of looking for one?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
My thoughts exactly.
I wonder why anyone would be so desperate for attention that they would stoop to this. That someone would deliberately attempt to make people disgusted with them is simply baffling to me.
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I find the ignore button works wonders to filter out the noise.
 
Hawking: there is no god.
God: there is no more Hawking

I wonder if Hawking was a member here. Of course, Hawking treasured his anonymity, frequently wearing sunglasses and a wig. Unfortunately, the wheelchair gave him away.

In purgatory, they probably wired up his box to Rodney Dangerfield’s voice: what’s a guy gotta do to get a Nobel prize around here, I tell you, no respect, no respect at all....
 
I'm sure to some, this thread is meant to be some kind of Confirmation Bias for those who abide to Arguments from Authority, which sadly, is a logical fallacy that doesn't exclude Atheists. Surely Hawking knew the science better than any of us to reach a pretty good conjecture, but technically speaking, it is still a conjecture, not a definite assertion based on evidence. My position remains the same: The problem with the "God" argument is that the word itself can mean an infinite number of things. This is not in defense of theists, for in fact, I sustain the theory that even if we were to discover a "God", it would be so radically different from anything that any human being could even begin to imagine, that all religions would reject this "God" because it doesn't look anything at all like what they imagined in their Disneyland idealistic vision, to look like a God. What humans define as "God" is basically a projection of their own individual desires and fears. It's a God that humans created, not the other way around. If the question of "whether there is such thing as a God" were to be pursued with seriousness and intellectual honesty, it would be a scientific pursuit devoid of any emotional and personal biases. But it is not. This "debate" is basically a group of people with an emotional hunch about "something they define as God" being answered by another group of people who do not share does emotional desires for there to be one.

In short: God is dead. Hail Satan.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
My thoughts exactly.
I wonder why anyone would be so desperate for attention that they would stoop to this. That someone would deliberately attempt to make people disgusted with them is simply baffling to me.
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The point is to get a reaction. Period. That is it. To "make liberals upset" I think someone said somewhere.
 
God invoked the Big Bang, then stopped for lunch. In God's time, that was only about ten minutes ago in our time.
 
Your fallacy is:

Appeal to False Authority

(also known as: appeal to unqualified authority, argument from false authority)

Description: Using an alleged authority as evidence in your argument when the authority is not really an authority on the facts relevant to the argument. As the audience, allowing an irrelevant authority to add credibility to the claim being made. Also see the appeal to authority.

/I did find it amusing that so many anti-theists who spit furious venom at religious believers are swooning that someone would dare to make the same type of jokes that Hawking made about himself.
 
Ron_Tomkins said:
In short: God is dead. Hail Satan.
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Ron don't forget the baby for us to eat at the next Evil Atheist Membership Dinner. You forget last time and we had to send Dawkins out to get one and you know fresh baby is never as good as one that's been marinating for several hours.
 
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