Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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Giordano said:
Just to correct those on this thread making claims that Senator Warren was using something like 23 and me as the source of interpretation of her DNA testing: No. Her analysis was by Dr. Carlos D. Bustamante at Stanford, one of the originators and current leaders in this field. A member of the National Academy of Sciences USA as a result of his research. And his analysis appears to be both cautious and rigorous. This is not one of those types of vague ancestries you get in the mail from spitting in a tube. This is what you get from a scientist doing an intensive analysis.

The Republican need to get out talking points appears to have outstripped any limitations imposed by the actual facts.
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Dr. Carlos D. Bustamante at Stanford, consultant for 23 and Me.
 
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SuburbanTurkey said:
Cool story. When did Warren claim to be a member of the Cherokee tribe or even eligible for such membership? The Cherokee tribe is a political sovereignty and their membership requirements are irrelevant to this conversation.
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Because DNA does not = Tribal belonging, cultural experiences do, and she has repeatedly said (STUFF ABOUT HER FAMILY SAYING SHE WAS CHEROKEE AND OTHER CULTURAL THINGS THEY DID THAT WAS CHEROKEE)
 
This article sums it up nicely.

Whatever credibility Warren had on the issue was shattered this week — by Warren herself. Irked at President Trump’s irreverence regarding her purported bloodline, Warren released the results of a DNA study done by Professor Carlos Bustamante of Stanford University. Those results showed that a Native American ancestor may have existed in Warren’s family tree “in the range of 6–10 generations ago.” This would make Warren somewhere between 1/64th Native American and 1/1024th Native American.

It’s quite hilarious — and remarkably tone deaf — that Warren thought the study would make her problems go away rather than exacerbate them. But she was counting on a little help from her friends in the media. They did their best. The Daily Beast headlined, “Elizabeth Warren Fights Trump’s ‘Pocahontas’ Taunt with DNA Test Proving Native-American Roots.” NBC went with “Elizabeth Warren Releases DNA Results Indicating She Has Native American Heritage.” MSNBC cheered, “DNA Test Results Allow Elizabeth Warren to Turn the Tables on Trump.”

But by the end of the day on Monday, her narrative had absolutely collapsed: Even the Cherokee Nation released a statement blasting Warren for her pretentions to Native American group membership.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/10/elizabeth-warren-fraud-identity-politics/
 
wareyin said:
Such recipe collections were usually sold by groups as fundraising efforts. Everybody contributes a recipe, or several, they get a nice little binder of them, put on a cover, and sell them for a few bucks to cover the group's coffee expenses, or go towards a trip, or something along those lines. I expect that Warren's example was one of these things. I honestly am surprised that people could be unaware of this sort of thing, and I'm male.
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I don't mean to say that men in general are completelyunaware of them as much as not tuned in very well to their provenance and significance. A book is a book, right? Published. Authoritative. A definitive reference.

These things are more like vanity publishing on a microscopic scale. A custom of women's groups for generations (and I'm not talking about suffragists or women's lib, although it wouldn't surprise me if they turned out a few as well. "Recipes That Even Your Husband Can Do, While You're Out". :))

They are put out as much as a gesture of camaraderie among the immediate social circle doing it as anything else.
 
Pterodactyl said:
It's hilarious. I already said that. She's clearly a white lady to anyone with eyes.
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I know the conversation has moved on, and perhaps Pterodactyl has given up this point, but I found a photo of Bill John Baker, who appears obviously white to me but happens to be the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation.
 
phiwum said:
I know the conversation has moved on, and perhaps Pterodactyl has given up this point, but I found a photo of Bill John Baker, who appears obviously white to me but happens to be the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation.
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According to wiki, he's 1/32 Cherokee. I hope that gives pause to people who are denigrating Warren. Mind you, I also hope for a pony.
 
phiwum said:
I know the conversation has moved on, and perhaps Pterodactyl has given up this point, but I found a photo of Bill John Baker, who appears obviously white to me but happens to be the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation.
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He's 1/32nd Cherokee according to his wiki page. But Warren is at most 1/64th. Is that the dividing line?

ETA: he seems to be a Warren supporter.
 
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phiwum said:
I know the conversation has moved on, and perhaps Pterodactyl has given up this point, but I found a photo of Bill John Baker, who appears obviously white to me but happens to be the principal chief of the Cherokee Nation.
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I think 'anyone with eyes' was a metaphor for 'anyone who can see through the charade of changing her race from CAUCASIAN TO NATIVE AMERICAN on the law professor directory's networking form.'
 
Drewbot said:
I think 'anyone with eyes' was a metaphor for 'anyone who can see through the charade of changing her race from CAUCASIAN TO NATIVE AMERICAN on the law professor directory's networking form.'
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Except that people who look white can be of significant native ancestry and people who look native might have next to zero such ancestry. Perhaps how people look isn't always the best way to go about it.
 
lobosrul5 said:
He's 1/32nd Cherokee according to his wiki page. But Warren is at most 1/64th. Is that the dividing line?
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After about a half century of self-government, a law enacted in 1906 directed that final rolls be made and that each enrollee be given an allotment of land or paid cash in lieu of an allotment. The Cherokees formally organized in 1975 with the adoption of a new Constitution that superseded the 1839 Cherokee Nation Constitution. This new Constitution establishes a Cherokee Register for the inclusion of any Cherokee for membership purposes in the Cherokee Nation. Members must be citizens as proven by reference to the Dawes Commission Rolls. Including in this are the Delaware Cherokees of Article II of the Delaware Agreement dated May 8, 1867, and the Shawnee Cherokees of Article III of the Shawnee Agreement dated June 9, 1869, and/or their descendants.

P.L. 100-472, authorizes through a planning and negotiation process Indian Tribes to administer and manage programs, activities, function, and services previously managed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Pursuant to P.L. 100-472 the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has entered into a Self-governance Compact and now provides those services previously provided by the BIA. Enrollment and allotment records are maintained by the Cherokee Nation. Any question with regard to the Cherokee Nation should be referred to:

Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma
P.O. Box 948
Tahlequah, OK 74465
(918) 456-0671
Fax (918) 456-6485.
 
lobosrul5 said:
He's 1/32nd Cherokee according to his wiki page. But Warren is at most 1/64th. Is that the dividing line?

ETA: he seems to be a Warren supporter.
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Perhaps what it means is that the designation of someone as native American is pretty much meaningless.

And that thought explains a great deal about this controversy.
 
Drewbot said:
After about a half century of self-government, a law enacted in 1906 directed that final rolls be made and that each enrollee be given an allotment of land or paid cash in lieu of an allotment. The Cherokees formally organized in 1975 with the adoption of a new Constitution that superseded the 1839 Cherokee Nation Constitution. This new Constitution establishes a Cherokee Register for the inclusion of any Cherokee for membership purposes in the Cherokee Nation. Members must be citizens as proven by reference to the Dawes Commission Rolls. Including in this are the Delaware Cherokees of Article II of the Delaware Agreement dated May 8, 1867, and the Shawnee Cherokees of Article III of the Shawnee Agreement dated June 9, 1869, and/or their descendants.

P.L. 100-472, authorizes through a planning and negotiation process Indian Tribes to administer and manage programs, activities, function, and services previously managed by the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Pursuant to P.L. 100-472 the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma has entered into a Self-governance Compact and now provides those services previously provided by the BIA. Enrollment and allotment records are maintained by the Cherokee Nation. Any question with regard to the Cherokee Nation should be referred to:

Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma
P.O. Box 948
Tahlequah, OK 74465
(918) 456-0671
Fax (918) 456-6485.
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It's good, then, that Warren has never claimed to be a member of the Cherokee tribe.

(Before you mention the recipe again, sure would be nice to see the whole cookbook and see whether it implies in any way that it is limited to tribal members.)
 
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