Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[Belz...]

I'm seriously beginning to think nobody does. Or at least the art of arguing outside that concept has been lost to time.

I say we make our own 'side': BelzMorgue. Not left-wing, not right-wing, but bottom-wing. We just have to determine what our deal is, and always argue in favour of it regardless of the topic. Now... what could we pick that'd apply to every conceivable topic?

I say cars. Not only are they great for analogies but they're everywhere. Then we can open a blog or forum called "The BelzMorgue Carwash" and we're in business.


...wait, what was I on again?

 

[Stacyhs]

2. The report from the geneticist said the results were consistent with NA heritage of the "lower 48 states of the US". That does not include S. America.

I would think that the geneticist, who did not know the identity of the DNA donor, would have mentioned it if S. America was included. He did not.

I wouldn't assume any such thing. I'd take the words as read.

The odds that an unadmixed Native American from S. America somehow made it to the Oklahoma area 6 to 10 generations ago is extremely unlikely. Can you think of a scenario in which a pure Incan or other pure S. American native could have been in the area that Warren's ancestors were living in the early 1800's? The geneticist specifically said that "Warren's Native American ancestry 'falls between' Canadian and Mexican indigenous population 'as would be expected for Native American ancestry deriving from the lower 48 states of the United States'".

 

[wareyin]

That's out of line, in my opinion. If JoeMorgue said that, you can quote it here for us.

JoeMorgue has parroted several of the Republican talking points (about it being Warren who publicized this issue as well as that the cookbook is some sort of claim to authenticity). I can go back and quote them if you require, but I don't have the time to wade thru the last several pages.

There is simply no way one could have paid attention to this issue and gotten either of those ideas on your own.

 

[Hellbound]

...wait, what was I on again?

Not sure, but I am hoping you'll share!

Seems like good stuff...

 

[Imhotep]

I say we make our own 'side': BelzMorgue.

Sign me up!

Not left-wing, not right-wing, but bottom-wing. We just have to determine what our deal is, and always argue in favour of it regardless of the topic. Now... what could we pick that'd apply to every conceivable topic?

I say cars. Not only are they great for analogies but they're everywhere. Then we can open a blog or forum called "The BelzMorgue Carwash" and we're in business.


...wait, what was I on again?

On second thought...

 

[JoeMorgue]

JoeMorgue has parroted several of the Republican talking points (about it being Warren who publicized this issue as well as that the cookbook is some sort of claim to authenticity). I can go back and quote them if you require, but I don't have the time to wade thru the last several pages.

There is simply no way one could have paid attention to this issue and gotten either of those ideas on your own.

"You disagree with me. Not only does this prove you are wrong it proves you got the information from my mortal enemy!"

So not only is the other side always wrong, the other side is the sole source of wrong in a perfect feedback loop.

 

[wareyin]

I said something negative about their side, ergo the only possible reason is the other side is the source of the negative opinion. If I didn't form the opinion myself (which would make me part of "the other side") then they had to have given me the opinion.

Even when you're not a member of one of the tribes, your opinions have to have come from them.

This is insane and it has destroyed political discourse. Maybe for good.

Are you claiming that despite clear evidence that Warren's political opponent raised this issue in 2012 and that Trump has been running with it for the last several years without a peep by Warren, your opinion that Warren is the one making this an issue was not informed by one side? I'd love to see how you came to that conclusion.

 

[wareyin]

"You disagree with me. Not only does this prove you are wrong it proves you got the information from my mortal enemy!"

So not only is the other side always wrong, the other side is the sole source of wrong in a perfect feedback loop.

You disagree with the evidence in a purely partisan way. But hey, I'm sure the non-stop Republican spin that you are paroting had nothing to do with your opinion formed in spite of all known evidence.

Carry on, I'm sure you'll convince someone!

 

[Meadmaker]

"Hey Dumbass stop calling people names, don't you know it's childish?"

Yeah that tracks.

So you think the irony wouldn't be enough to make the message work? Yeah, you're probably right.

When all is said and done, he does it because it works, and it's not his fault it works.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Math Teacher: Okay class what is 2+2?
Timmy: 5!
Math Teacher: WHAT REPUBLICAN TOLD YOU THAT! GIVE ME HIS NAME!

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

You disagree with the evidence in a purely partisan way. But hey, I'm sure the non-stop Republican spin that you are paroting had nothing to do with your opinion formed in spite of all known evidence.

Carry on, I'm sure you'll convince someone!

Exactly. But it HAS to be about political sides. Individuals matter for nothing. A woman has done nothing wrong but must be pelted with tomatoes because she dares be on a different political side.

 

[kookbreaker]

It is hard to watch many (not all) democrats defend Warren, while many NA people are likely highly offended by the entire fiasco.

Many Native Americans were also offended by Trumps constant use of 'Pocahontas' as an insult. But you didn't care back then did you?

 

[River]

Many Native Americans were also offended by Trumps constant use of 'Pocahontas' as an insult. But you didn't care back then did you?

Did you ever see me using those terms? How about supporting its use? Also, I've called Trump narcissistic and brash. Don't associate me with that kind of nonsense.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Many Native Americans were also offended by Trumps constant use of 'Pocahontas' as an insult. But you didn't care back then did you?

I have spoken out against Trump's use of "Pocahontas" as an insulting term for Senator Warren. Am I allowed to have an opinion?

This whole "You said there therefore you have to have said /agree with/support this" nonsense stop here. I'm done putting up with it.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Are you done using Republican talking points too? Or are you condemning Warren based on her actions as an individual that Republicans pointed out to you and blew out of proportion?

 

[kookbreaker]

Did you ever see me using those terms? How about supporting its use?

No. But that's not relevant.

Also, I've called Trump narcissistic and brash.

I haven't seen that here, except with your attempt at faux neutrality.

Don't associate me with that kind of nonsense.

You've sided with the nonsense.Your earliest posts here since the DNA was released was an article from a hard-right Trump supporter who made multiple mistakes in his criticism. You've clung to ridiculous 'points' like a cookbook as if it were smoking gun in a murder scene, and acted in this thread and in other like a typical Trump supporter.

What are we supposed to think? That despite your whole-hearted support of the attacks & bullying of Warren, the pure whataboutism you've displayed in the Meuller thread, and multiple other Trump support youve displayed that you are pure neutral because you maybe, possibly, once flicked a booger in his direction once?

Yeah, sure.

 

[xjx388]

Warren never claimed to be Cherokee.



Your pathological need to continually lie about this is worrisome.

Did she claim to be a minority by checking a box on a form? Yes. What particular minority ethnicity does she claim? Black, Mexican, Asian? No. Cherokee or Delaware with a documented instance of her using Cherokee.

Your pathological need to call everyone liars about the core issue is just funny.


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[xjx388]

Not at all. Warren had nothing to gain by checking that box in a demographic poll, NOTHING. Keep on spinning on.

Then why do it? Surely there was something to gain, otherwise, just leave it blank, no?


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[Silly Green Monkey]

Did she claim to be a minority by checking a box on a form? Yes. What particular minority ethnicity does she claim? Black, Mexican, Asian? No. Cherokee or Delaware with a documented instance of her using Cherokee.

Your pathological need to call everyone liars about the core issue is just funny.


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Cherokee is not an ethnicity. Warren (and hundreds of thousands of other Americans) claimed Native American ancestry. Seems she was right to, it's in her DNA.

 

[Silly Green Monkey]

Then why do it? Surely there was something to gain, otherwise, just leave it blank, no?


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I checked the box because I believed I had the ancestry, and for completeness. I had a thing about completely filling out forms.