Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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River said:
Oh you mean where she listed herself as Cherokee on the recipe? Did someone misquote her?

Or do you mean she wasn't referring to her heritage? (which dems claimed victory on) Aren't the recipes (3 out of 5 were plagiarized?) supposed to represent NA recipes correct? Are you suggesting the label Cherokee was not referring to her ancestry as she has indicated previously when speaking about a relative getting married, or not? Just a label describing the lineage of those plagiarized (3 out of the 5) recipes, not inferring any sort of lineage to herself? Just want to be clear on your position. :D
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You may want to reread if you think that is my position.

But I've watched how well you do at reading comprehension, so I'm not holding out hope that rereading it would make things clearer for you, or that restating the obvious would penetrate the crimethink.
 
wareyin said:
I'm thinking the point is that Rivers and others want to pretend she claimed NA minority status for some kind of gain (affirmative action bad! Grrrr!) while ignoring that no claims of NA history were made or considered during any hiring situation. The best they've been able to come up with is that years after having been hired, she allowed a couple of Universities to list her in the faculty directory as NA (which has no bearing on employer records or affirmative action).

It's just so obvious if you squint your eyes, tilt your head, hold your tongue just right, and ignore the facts in evidence.
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They also want to justify the constant bullying & racist namecalling their hero Trump employs.

I notice that while they danced with glee over the Cherokee Nation's reaction nobody had any response about the NCAI's request that he knock it off with the "Pocahontas' references.
 
wareyin said:
You may want to reread if you think that is my position.

But I've watched how well you do at reading comprehension, so I'm not holding out hope that rereading it would make things clearer for you, or that restating the obvious would penetrate the crimethink.
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Your position is not clear. Please clarify. Which is your position? Did Warren claim to be Cherokee on the recipes? Or was it a label not related to her ancestry, but instead attributed to the recipes origin, not her own?
 
Multi-Million dollar contracts meant for minorities stolen by a fake Indian = "Cherokee" listed on a recipe in a book 40 years ago.


Gotcha.
 
theprestige said:
For me the hilarious bits about the cookbook are the recipes. Not only are they not even hers, they're not even native.
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My mother in law passed several church cookbooks down to my family. Would you believe that despite them being labeled as Methodist Church cookbooks, the recipes aren't actually Methodist? I've noticed a few were directly copied from Pillsbury, as well!
 
Dr. Keith said:
...And the origin of that phrase is . . . not pretty, no matter how much you try to fancy it up with juicy goodness.
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This is what happens when you don't read through a thread.

Darat said:
Just to be niggardly, there is no actual evidence that welch (note the spelling) comes from a pejorative usage against the Welsh. All there is is conjecture or rather speculation it may have done.
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River said:
Your position is not clear. Please clarify. Which is your position? Did Warren claim to be Cherokee on the recipes? Or was it a label not related to her ancestry, but instead attributed to the recipes origin, not her own?
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WHO CARES??? It was a freaking cookbook. If I included my grandmother's (German, off the boat) recepie for sauerbraten, I might sign off on a cookbook as 'Thermal, German'.

Its not her flipping CV.
 
wareyin said:
My mother in law passed several church cookbooks down to my family. Would you believe that despite them being labeled as Methodist Church cookbooks, the recipes aren't actually Methodist? I've noticed a few were directly copied from Pillsbury, as well!
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Tbf, I too, wondered about how Mexican a recipe could be which included oatmeal.*


*Not that it would be a complete surprise. I think if you look at the the cuisine of Central America you'll find an incredible mixture of Old World and New World ingredients.
 
Thermal said:
WHO CARES??? It was a freaking cookbook. If I included my grandmother's (German, off the boat) recepie for sauerbraten, I might sign off on a cookbook as 'Thermal, German'.

Its not her flipping CV.
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Well, see, if Warren has lied or fibbed once in her life, you can't complain about Trump's alledged lies without being a hypocrite.

Simple.
 
JoeMorgue said:
And, I think, that's what some of us are a little annoyed at.

A whiter than white woman in a position of privileged and power claiming minority-ness even in a purely meaningless and symbolic way in any context, not matter the hair split between "said" and "claim" or any of the other 50 billion different hair splits we've gone down on this thread based on some homeopathic level of DNA is the kind of thing that is genetically engineered to make Democrats fling poo like a family of chimps fighting a clan of coprophiles.

If a Republican woman had did this the "Cultural Appropriation" hammer would have pounded her into mush and everybody knows it.
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Bingo. It's just another one of those, "when my tribe (no pun) does this, it's fine but not when your tribe does it," kind of things. This particular issue seems to stem from a perceived advantage gained by appealing to ethnic/cultural ties. I don't think it can be argued that Warren has done that in any meaningful way. But consider in the race Texas, right now, where there's a lot of brouhaha about "Beto" O'Rourke using a Mexican nickname to ingratiate himself with a substantial Mexican voting base. It may be perfectly innocent (and for the record, I don't think he's trying to do that) but it can be spun into something that many Mexicans would take offense to. The Dems have no problem pointing out that Ted Cruz's real name is Rafael Eduardo Cruz so "Ted" is an attempt by him to ingratiate himself with white voters. It's all so stupid.

It's all because these ethnic ties are still so important for so many people, for some reason. I continue to maintain that we have to find a way to move past these ethnic labels if we ever hope to rid ourselves of such stupidity. Until we do move past it though, I think it was a bad move for Warren to continue to make an issue of it.
 
Belz... said:
Dude, have you lost track of the conversation already?

"Yes" and "no" aren't the only "sides" of a debate. "I don't know" or "needs more data" or whatever are also "sides". Don't ignore us.
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Not that this remotely resembles a formal debate, but if it were, then there would be a formal resolution under debate (e.g. "Resolved: Warren took unethical advantage of a false heritage claim"), and there would be two "sides": affirmative and negative. Yes, there would also be some interested spectators and some who just like to argue even though they really don't care about the issue, but you seem to be reading something into what I said that wasn't intended. Would you be happier if I say there is a "faction" here that really, really wants to make this about "identity politics" when it really isn't?
 
The Big Dog said:
Sen. Elizabeth Warren’s release of a DNA test that suggested a lineage to a distant Native American ancestor has roiled the indigenous community, frustrated about the seizure of cultural and social ties for political maneuvering.

Gyasi Ross, an author focused on Native American issues and culture, told MSNBC’s Chris Hayes that “there is definitely a level of anger, of tone-deafness” in Warren’s approach.

What a freaking dope.
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I see they quoted GRAPE JUICE DONNY in that article.
 
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