Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[JoeMorgue]

Agreed, she's mostly cracker and claiming minority status for NA ancestry is improper.

And, I think, that's what some of us are a little annoyed at.

A whiter than white woman in a position of privileged and power claiming minority-ness even in a purely meaningless and symbolic way in any context, not matter the hair split between "said" and "claim" or any of the other 50 billion different hair splits we've gone down on this thread based on some homeopathic level of DNA is the kind of thing that is genetically engineered to make Democrats fling poo like a family of chimps fighting a clan of coprophiles.

If a Republican woman had did this the "Cultural Appropriation" hammer would have pounded her into mush and everybody knows it.

 

[Slings and Arrows]

Most bizzare thread ever.

Warren claimed NA ancestry based on what her mother told her. DNA confirms somewhat distant NA ancestry.

/thread

Meanwhile, we have arguments about a 1984 cookbook from the side that shoots and kills protesters at their rallies.

Just bizzare.

Three weeks before the midterm elections and the Dimms main talking point: Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren is 0.09% Cherokee. Bwahahaha!

Meanwhile, the Republicans are touting: "Jobs Not Mobs."

Goodbye blue wave!

 

[River]

I haven't seen any evidence that she changed evidence in her employers records. I saw your unattributed picture, but as your sources so far have been attrocious I see no reason to believe one that you won't even cite.

There are multiple sources for the story. Did you even bother to do a basic search? (doubtful)

Warren changed her listed ethnicity to Native American in December 1989, nearly three years after she was hired as a white woman by the University of Pennsylvania Law School.

Warren had her ethnicity changed on official documents from “white” to “Native American” at the University of Pennsylvania and at Harvard University Law School

The report also noted that nearly three years after she took the Penn job, she asked the university to change her listed ethnicity to “Native American.”

The fact that she made such a claim is beyond dispute: In 1989, three years after she took the job at Penn, she had the school change her listed ethnicity from “White” to “Native American.”

Elizabeth Warren said late Wednesday that she had listed herself as Native American at Harvard University and the University of Pennsylvania.

“At some point after I was hired by them, I … provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard,”

 

[JoeMorgue]

Three weeks before the midterm elections and the Dimms main talking point: Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren is 0.09% Cherokee. Bwahahaha!

Meanwhile, the Republicans are touting: "Jobs Not Mobs."

Goodbye blue wave!

Are you just literally copy-pasting yourself now?

 

[WilliamSeger]

Is anybody starting to understand why "identity politics" and "My Identity is a distinct and separate thing from my demographics/traits" is a bad thing that makes certain topics impossible to discuss?

I do believe that that's exactly why one side of this discussion wants to make this about "identity politics," when it never was.

 

[JoeMorgue]

I do believe that that's exactly why one side of this discussion wants to make this about identity politics, when it never was.

Right. I forget there were only two UN EXACTLY TWO sides, no more, no less.

 

[wareyin]

There are multiple sources for the story. Did you even bother to do a basic search? (doubtful)

So that's a no on evidence that she changed anything?

I've seen evidence that she was listed in a directory, and per one of your own sources the school itself changed their own listing in order to inflate their diversity numbers. "The Globe reviewed Warren’s hiring records in a broad investigation that included more than 100 interviews, and found no evidence that her heritage played a part in her rise in legal academia. She was viewed as a white female applicant, and not until she had been teaching at Penn for two years did she let the university change her designation to Native American. The law schools were happy to have her help boost their diversity numbers."

ETA: You really ought to read your first cite, The Globe. It does a fine job of demolishing your claims in this thread so far, including pointing out that in every case where she had been listed as a minority, it was not at her request.

 

[River]

So that's a no on evidence that she changed anything?

I've seen evidence that she was listed in a directory, and per one of your own sources the school itself changed their own listing in order to inflate their diversity numbers. "The Globe reviewed Warren’s hiring records in a broad investigation that included more than 100 interviews, and found no evidence that her heritage played a part in her rise in legal academia. She was viewed as a white female applicant, and not until she had been teaching at Penn for two years did she let the university change her designation to Native American. The law schools were happy to have her help boost their diversity numbers."

Hahahaha!! Man, this is golden.

Here is a direct quote from her.

“At some point after I was hired by them, I … provided that information to the University of Pennsylvania and Harvard,”

Warren’s statement is her first acknowledgment that she identified herself as Native American to the Ivy League schools. While she has said she identified herself as a minority in a legal directory

Guess that won't do either if the previous 5 articles saying she changed it didn't. (one of which included that quote)

 

[Drewbot]

It feels like stolen valor.
They don't wear the uniform for job prospects, they wear if for admiration from people ignorant of military continuity. When called on it, they come up with fake units or bases that they trained at.

How many people do you think asked Warren what tribe she was from, when they saw her listed as a minority? Do you think she said, 'oh I just self identify as Native American.'? or do you think she said 'Cherokee'?

 

[wareyin]

Hahahaha!! Man, this is golden.

Here is a direct quote from her.



Guess that won't do either if the previous 5 articles saying she changed it didn't. (one of which included that quote)

Perhaps you missed my advice in my edit:
That previously undisclosed report reveals that the hiring committee at Penn, where Warren worked from 1987 to 1995, viewed her as a white female applicant. Moreover, the committee went to some pains to explain on this form why she was selected over several minorities to fill a faculty position.

Not until she had been teaching at Penn for two years did she authorize the university to change her personnel designation from white to Native American, the records show.

The key phrase is hilighted, but normally if one authorizes a second party to do something, that is at the second party's request.

 

[Belz...]

Three weeks before the midterm elections and the Dimms main talking point: Elizabeth "Pocahontas" Warren is 0.09% Cherokee. Bwahahaha!

No.

 

[River]

Perhaps you missed my advice in my edit:
That previously undisclosed report reveals that the hiring committee at Penn, where Warren worked from 1987 to 1995, viewed her as a white female applicant. Moreover, the committee went to some pains to explain on this form why she was selected over several minorities to fill a faculty position.

Not until she had been teaching at Penn for two years did she authorize the university to change her personnel designation from white to Native American, the records show.

The key phrase is hilighted, but normally if one authorizes a second party to do something, that is at the second party's request.

I'm glad we agree -- she claimed to be NA to her employers.

 

[Elagabalus]

...Somehow, you've got to turn it around in such a way that it, correctly, makes the accuser, Trump, look foolish just for bringing it up. Barack Obama did a fine job of that with the birther stuff. He didn't stumble over himself trying to provide documentation to prove the charge was false. He didn't get up in arms and shout "racism!" even as his supporters did so. He mostly ignored it and used the charge itself to ridicule his opponents, including Donald Trump.

Obama did pretty well. People could learn a thing or two from him.

OK, I agree.

Try this out. She needs to start referring to him as GRAPE JUICE DONNY.

Because he Welches™ (on his bet).

It right out of Trump's playbook but I think it will work.

 

[carlitos]

And, I think, that's what some of us are a little annoyed at.

A whiter than white woman in a position of privileged and power claiming minority-ness even in a purely meaningless and symbolic way in any context, not matter the hair split between "said" and "claim" or any of the other 50 billion different hair splits we've gone down on this thread based on some homeopathic level of DNA is the kind of thing that is genetically engineered to make Democrats fling poo like a family of chimps fighting a clan of coprophiles.

If a Republican woman had did this the "Cultural Appropriation" hammer would have pounded her into mush and everybody knows it.

Agree on all counts. It's such an own goal for Democrats to die on this hill.

Mind you, I don't see why it matters other than team jersey-wearing political point scoring. The execrable Ann Coulter was exactly right about Warren's chances of winning the presidency being around 1 in 1024, with or without an offensive nickname.

 

[wareyin]

It feels like stolen valor.
They don't wear the uniform for job prospects, they wear if for admiration from people ignorant of military continuity. When called on it, they come up with fake units or bases that they trained at.

How many people do you think asked Warren what tribe she was from, when they saw her listed as a minority? Do you think she said, 'oh I just self identify as Native American.'? or do you think she said 'Cherokee'?

It feels like you have no idea that people can be interested in their own ancestry, and even try to get together with others who share it.

German ancestry

Scottish Ancestry

Irish Ancestry

need I go on?

 

[WilliamSeger]

Right. I forget there were only two UN EXACTLY TWO sides, no more, no less.

Well, that would depend on the issue. It seems to me there's one "side" here that claims Warren took unethical advantage of claiming minority status, and another "side" that doesn't see a shred of evidence that that's true, or any reason to doubt what Warren has said about any of it, including her motivations. You got a third side to that issue?

 

[wareyin]

I'm glad we agree -- she claimed to be NA to her employers.

I think a lot of this would blow over if folks like you would read the articles you cite.


Oh, who am I kidding? That would require arguing in good faith, and the pretense to care about a 1984 cookbook recipe already showed that was not on your agenda.

 

[River]

And, I think, that's what some of us are a little annoyed at.

A whiter than white woman in a position of privileged and power claiming minority-ness even in a purely meaningless and symbolic way in any context, not matter the hair split between "said" and "claim" or any of the other 50 billion different hair splits we've gone down on this thread based on some homeopathic level of DNA is the kind of thing that is genetically engineered to make Democrats fling poo like a family of chimps fighting a clan of coprophiles.

If a Republican woman had did this the "Cultural Appropriation" hammer would have pounded her into mush and everybody knows it.

Agree on all counts. It's such an own goal for Democrats to die on this hill.

Mind you, I don't see why it matters other than team jersey-wearing political point scoring. The execrable Ann Coulter was exactly right about Warren's chances of winning the presidency being around 1 in 1024, with or without an offensive nickname.

Agree 100%.

Democrats IMHO shouldve said yes, it was dumb. Then moved on. Instead, we get defending of her actions, and claims of victory. It is not confidence building for the left one bit.

 

[Belz...]

Well, that would depend on the issue. It seems to me there's one "side" here that claims Warren took unethical advantage of claiming minority status, and another "side" that doesn't see a shred of evidence that that's true, or any reason to doubt what Warren has said about any of it, including her motivations. You got a third side to that issue?

Well, there's the side that is undecided, and the side that says it really doesn't matter, or the side that holds that both sides may have a point, or none.

 

[Elagabalus]

Thread could be called "Elizabeth Warren falsifies minority status Thread"

Because we can all agree that that was improper.

Unfortunately, it ain't your thread. And the guy who started the thread, way back when, wanted her to take the DNA test. So there's that.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331829