Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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One possibility that none of the pundits are recognizing:

She may be simply taking a page out of Trump's persuasion play book.

Release the test, dominate news coverage for 3 or 4 days, leave the question open, get a bunch of name recognition for the upcoming election cycle. In a year when the question comes up again, simply state that she has made her statement on this, and move along.
 
Belz... said:
That still boils down to what I wrote.
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I disagree. First, 6+ generations back start to make the Cherokee claim more difficult to support. Second, it creates issues about why they would even suspect heritage that many generations back.
 
Kestrel said:
The right wing in America doesn't want to discuss Warren's experience, qualifications or policies.
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I'd get fired, if I checked the Native American box on an application for the Minority Faculty Directory. That falls in the same category as wiping a private server that contained classified info.
 
ahhell said:
Meh, the story never mattered. She really shouldn't have released here results. Its none of our business and the folks that pretend to care aren't going to stop pretending. It was practically guaranteed to provide enough ambiguity to let both sides think they've been vindicated, which it did as her story really did make seem as though the ancestry was more recent. But again, it never mattered in the first place. At worse its a family myth that probably isn't true. Most of us have those.
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The results of the DNA test proved that the family story was true. Warren did have ancestors that were Native American. I have no clue how you missed that.
 
Drewbot said:
I'd get fired, if I checked the Native American box on an application for the Minority Faculty Directory. That falls in the same category as wiping a private server that contained classified info.
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Straw man argument. The box Warren checked wasn't on any such application.
 
Belz... said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Even if it's the editor of the book who put the word there, he did so on her claim, did he not?
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Apparently the editor of the book was a cousin of Warren's, and so likely familiar with the family lore that they had a Cherokee ancestor. Seems reasonable that they would have put that in as an indication of which nation Warren's family had ties to.
 
Belz... said:
That has nothing to do with what I posted, so there.
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That was my point. Your post mischaracterized the situation and mine corrected it by accurately describing the situation. So my post can't have too much to relate to yours because it is divorced from reality.
 
"I don't have to answer because you won't believe me anyway" is a bad precedent to set. I don't want political discussion to drop even further to the point that it's two sides just telling the other side they aren't worthy of an answer from them.
 
Drewbot said:
One possibility that none of the pundits are recognizing:

She may be simply taking a page out of Trump's persuasion play book.

Release the test, dominate news coverage for 3 or 4 days, leave the question open, get a bunch of name recognition for the upcoming election cycle. In a year when the question comes up again, simply state that she has made her statement on this, and move along.
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It's like Obama releasing his long form birth certificate. It closes out the argument for reasonable people. Leaving only the nut case conspiracy theorists still arguing about it.

It is unfortunate that the category of nut case conspiracy theorist includes our current President. :rolleyes:
 
Kestrel said:
Straw man argument. The box Warren checked wasn't on any such application.
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Kestrel said:
Straw man argument. The box Warren checked wasn't on any such application.
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Are you sure?
The official further said that Warren had been unable to answer questions about the issue before now because she had forgotten many of the details and had asked her campaign to thoroughly review the evidence. The campaign declined to say whether Warren provided the information to Harvard and Penn verbally or by checking a box on a form.
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http://archive.boston.com/news/loca...lling_harvard_penn_of_native_american_status/

- May 2: Warren acknowledged that she listed herself as a minority in a widely published legal directory for nine years before arriving at Harvard in hopes “that I’d get invited to some lunch group or some - maybe some dinner conversation and I might find some more people like me . . . people for whom Native American is part of their heritage and part of their hearts.’’ The directory did not specifically list her as Native American.
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https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2012/05/31/what-warren-has-said/4qqoTK6mq4KLiamO79fBtM/story.html
 
Kestrel said:
It's like Obama releasing his long form birth certificate. It closes out the argument for reasonable people. Leaving only the nut case conspiracy theorists still arguing about it.

It is unfortunate that the category of nut case conspiracy theorist includes our current President. :rolleyes:
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The Warren DNA test is the same as the Dukakis in a tank helmet, or Dukakis saying he wouldn't execute a guy who killed his wife.

She knowingly put out a report that says she is .039 to 1.5% Native (north or south) American. Talk about taking a dump in a bowl and calling it an ice cream sundae...
 
Belz... said:
I'm not sure what your point is. Even if it's the editor of the book who put the word there, he did so on her claim, did he not?
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I don’t know. But if they did, it still leaves open the quiestion of what claim is being made by including the word “Cherokee”.

And it’s a stretch to go from there to “Warren said she is a Cherokee”, especially from the “Trump didn’t weasel out of the bet because he specifically said Indian” crowd.
 
BobTheCoward said:
I disagree. First, 6+ generations back start to make the Cherokee claim more difficult to support. Second, it creates issues about why they would even suspect heritage that many generations back.
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Thayd put the ancestor around the founding or civil war. Either one would only have been a couple of generations from living memory. My tells me stories about my great, great, great grandfather passed down from my grandfather. Not really a stretch.
 
Drewbot said:
The Warren DNA test is the same as the Dukakis in a tank helmet, or Dukakis saying he wouldn't execute a guy who killed his wife.

She knowingly put out a report that says she is .039 to 1.5% Native (north or south) American. Talk about taking a dump in a bowl and calling it an ice cream sundae...
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Except nobody had challenged Dukakis to ride in a tank and said he wasn't qualified to be President if he didn't.
 
Kestrel said:
The results of the DNA test proved that the family story was true. Warren did have ancestors that were Native American. I have no clue how you missed that.
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Because it was so little it doesn't really support the notion that her parents dealt with racism on account of. Seems pretty far fetched to think so. On the other hand, nobody really cares, its just a talking point that folks who are going to vote against her like to use.
 
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