Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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citizenzen said:
You’re talking about two different things. Warren’s personal identification as Cherokee, based on her family lore, is not the same thing as the Cherokee Tribe officially including her in their tribe.

Both conditions can exist without contradiction.

If/when Warren claims to be an official member of the tribe, then you have an argument.
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What nonsense. The Cherokee Nation disagrees.
 
Pterodactyl said:
Well, the genetic testing now exists, so that's sort of a problem isn't it?

But regardless, THE key aspect being missed here is that for minority citizens, the prejudice one faces is largely due to his/her outward appearance. If one does not outwardly appear to be a minority, one most likely won't have experienced the typical negative aspects of prejudice facing a minority in our society.

So to claim to be a minority, but to have grown up and lived with all the privileges of a majority/white person, makes a mockery of the idea of diversity.

Oh, and for it not to be true at all is kind of the icing on the cake. She's done IMO, which is a shame because I agree with her quite a bit philosophically.
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Wait, now you are all over the place. Can you, or can you not, identify the racial identity of one individual merely by looking at them?
 
BrooklynBaby said:
What nonsense. The Cherokee Nation disagrees.
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The Cherokees said exactly the same thing that was in the report Warren released.

Both said the test does not establish any tribal connection. So what’s the problem here?

Do you believe that all personal identification require official recognition?

How officious.
 
Brainster said:
I had forgotten about her contribution to the Pow-Wow Chow cookbook; if she was a Republican that name along would have people in a frenzy.
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Why do think a Republican's name in a 30+ year-old cookbook would stoke outrage?

We currently have members of a Republican's family claiming Cherokee tribal status to bilk tax payers out of million of dollars, and I'm not seeing a "frenzy".

ETA: This confirms for me that Warren is running in 2020. There is no need to do this to satisfy the citizens of Massachusetts.
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What stunning political insight.
 
BobTheCoward said:
Their opinion doesn't matter. Just like Saudi Arabi's assertion that people violate blasphemy laws prove there is a God.
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You do understand why I think this analogy makes no sense?

In any case, the Cherokee Nation decides who is a Cherokee and who is not. Fauxcahontas is free to go over there and knock on the door and make her claim. If she does, I hope she takes a camera crew, because it should be a hoot.
 
LSSBB said:
Wait, now you are all over the place. Can you, or can you not, identify the racial identity of one individual merely by looking at them?
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Define "racial identity".

Are you asking me if I can correctly identify Elizabeth Warren as a white lady?

It appears I have.

Could there be exceptions? Absolutely. But those exceptions fall into the category I just described. Nice dodge tho.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
You do understand why I think this analogy makes no sense?

In any case, the Cherokee Nation decides who is a Cherokee and who is not. Fauxcahontas is free to go over there and knock on the door and make her claim. If she does, I hope she takes a camera crew, because it should be a hoot.
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Good thing Warren isn't calling herself a Cherokee.
 
johnny karate said:
Why do think a Republican's name in a 30+ year-old cookbook would stoke outrage?

We currently have members of a Republican's family claiming Cherokee tribal status to bilk tax payers out of million of dollars, and I'm not seeing a "frenzy".
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They keep ignoring this point. Why is that, do you suppose? If it were an indictment of Trump or his family, would they react differently? I wonder if they ignore it because of cult of party, or cult of personality?
 
BrooklynBaby said:
You do understand why I think this analogy makes no sense?

In any case, the Cherokee Nation decides who is a Cherokee and who is not. Fauxcahontas is free to go over there and knock on the door and make her claim. If she does, I hope she takes a camera crew, because it should be a hoot.
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Since Warren never claimed to be Cherokee, I'm not sure why she would challenge anything the Cherokee Nation has to say about her affiliation with the tribe.
 
I'm going to defer to the Native American governments.

TAHLEQUAH, Okla. — Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. issued the following statement Monday in response to Senator Elizabeth Warren’s DNA test claiming Native Heritage:

"A DNA test is useless to determine tribal citizenship. Current DNA tests do not even distinguish whether a person’s ancestors were indigenous to North or South America," Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr. said. "Sovereign tribal nations set their own legal requirements for citizenship, and while DNA tests can be used to determine lineage, such as paternity to an individual, it is not evidence for tribal affiliation. Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong. It makes a mockery out of DNA tests and its legitimate uses while also dishonoring legitimate tribal governments and their citizens, whose ancestors are well documented and whose heritage is proven. Senator Warren is undermining tribal interests with her continued claims of tribal heritage."
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https://www.cherokee.org/News/Stories/20181015_Cherokee-Nation-responds-to-Senator-Warrens-DNA-test

Kim TallBear from the University of Alberta released a statement as well:
 
BrooklynBaby said:
You do understand why I think this analogy makes no sense?

In any case, the Cherokee Nation decides who is a Cherokee and who is not. Fauxcahontas is free to go over there and knock on the door and make her claim. If she does, I hope she takes a camera crew, because it should be a hoot.
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The Cherokee nation doesn't determine that. A proclamation by a government doesn't make something true. Government's say citizens have done things they haven't all the time.
 
BobTheCoward said:
The Cherokee nation doesn't determine that. A proclamation by a government doesn't make something true. Government's say citizens have done things they haven't all the time.
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Umm, yes they do, see KimTallBear's letter I posted above.
 
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