Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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xjx388 said:
There's a big difference IMO, between saying, "I am Native American," and "I have Native American ancestry." Warren listed herself as Native American in some directory. But, she isn't Native American and we didn't need DNA tests to prove it -she didn't grow up in the culture. Now that we have the test results, we can confirm that she merely has some distant ancestor who was Native American.

So what do you call that directory listing that identified her as a Native American, if not a lie? Granted, it's a pretty harmless lie. But still a lie, no?
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As I have moved closer to Oklahoma I have found out that half the damn state considers themselves NA, another half consider the first half as dirty injuns and a third half serve them both drinks just to watch the fights. It's a weird place, and that's the culture her family was escaping.

Does it matter if the directory had any standards for claiming ancestry?
 
xjx388 said:
But, she isn't Native American and we didn't need DNA tests to prove it -she didn't grow up in the culture. Now that we have the test results, we can confirm that she merely has some distant ancestor who was Native American.
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This is less important than you might think. If I had the name of my ancestor who might have been on the Dawes Rolls, I could petition to join the Cherokee Nation and adopt the culture. Growing up in the culture is not required.
 
xjx388 said:
There's a big difference IMO, between saying, "I am Native American," and "I have Native American ancestry." Warren listed herself as Native American in some directory. But, she isn't Native American and we didn't need DNA tests to prove it -she didn't grow up in the culture. Now that we have the test results, we can confirm that she merely has some distant ancestor who was Native American.

So what do you call that directory listing that identified her as a Native American, if not a lie? Granted, it's a pretty harmless lie. But still a lie, no?
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There is no directory listing referring to her as Native American.

So yeah, you claiming otherwise is a lie. Granted, it's a pretty harmless lie. But still a lie, no?
 
Three weeks until the midterms.

Democratic message: "Pocahontas is 0.1% Native American."

Republican message: "Jobs not mobs."
 
xjx388 said:
There's a big difference IMO, between saying, "I am Native American," and "I have Native American ancestry." Warren listed herself as Native American in some directory. But, she isn't Native American and we didn't need DNA tests to prove it -she didn't grow up in the culture. Now that we have the test results, we can confirm that she merely has some distant ancestor who was Native American.

So what do you call that directory listing that identified her as a Native American, if not a lie? Granted, it's a pretty harmless lie. But still a lie, no?
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Is this what you are down to? She listed herself in some directory so......what?
 
River said:
Excuse me but did I or someone else make that claim? (no NA ancestry?) If so point it out by quoting it.
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For heaven’s sake, read the thread.

She made the claim of being a minority apparently. I'm asking: What makes her or anyone eligible for that? Feelings? A percentage of DNA? What is the standard? Can anyone claim minority status and receive potential hiring or other opportunities/benefits? (affirmative action)
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For ****’s sake read th thread.
 
Dr. Keith said:
My bad, your post seemed so certain that I assumed you had some basis for it. Mea culpa.
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hoo boy, can y'all imagine applying the same standard to the people responsible for the stunt and who have the actual burden?

Naw, i guess not, huh?
 
DNA test now doesn't really put the cat back in the bag. For, me the question was never, does she meet some One Drop or Blood Quantum standard?

The question was, is she actually Cherokee like she claims? Did Harvard actually believe the claim when they listed her as Native American and called her a person of color on their faculty?

Me? My father is Brazilian. I'm half-Brazilian by blood. More than that: I speak the language. I read Brazilian history and literature. I lived in Brazil. I went to school there. I held jobs there. I was hired for a job here in the US specifically because my employer needed someone who could work closely with their Brazilian clients.

But I would hesitate to call myself Brazilian - or even part Brazilian. My Portuguese is pretty good, but it's not really complete. I still have an accent, and my vocabulary is lacking, especially in recent neologisms. I've spent more time out of Brazil than in Brazil. For me to claim to speak as a Brazilian, with a Brazilian voice about Brazilian issues, would be an arrogant lie.

Or take Rachel Dolezal: By her deeds, she has more claim to minority status than Elizabeth Warren does.

Or take Bill Clinton. There's a certain silliness to labeling him "America's first black president", but there is some reason there too. While he never experienced the prejudice of skin color, he did experience the prejudice and obstacles of growing up poor in the South. Compare with Barack Obama, who is indeed black, but had a very different life experience than most African-Americans.

Warren claims to be Cherokee. But she's a member of no tribe. She's not active in any Cherokee interest groups. She has not inherited and does not practice any Cherokee customs. She does not even know of any traditional Cherokee foods.

When she was calling herself a Cherokee at Harvard, it's not like she was any kind of resource for Native American students who might want advice on navigating the American university system, for someone coming from a Reservation background. It's not like she was bringing a Native American perspective to policy discussions with other faculty.

This DNA test only serves to underline how silly her claim was, and how silly Harvard was in publishing that claim uncritically. The real question isn't "is Warren Cherokee?" The real question is, "what is even the point of diversity?"
 
theprestige said:
DNA test now doesn't really put the cat back in the bag. For, me the question was never, does she meet some One Drop or Blood Quantum standard?

The question was, is she actually Cherokee like she claims? Did Harvard actually believe the claim when they listed her as Native American and called her a person of color on their faculty?

Me? My father is Brazilian. I'm half-Brazilian by blood. More than that: I speak the language. I read Brazilian history and literature. I lived in Brazil. I went to school there. I held jobs there. I was hired for a job here in the US specifically because my employer needed someone who could work closely with their Brazilian clients.

But I would hesitate to call myself Brazilian - or even part Brazilian. My Portuguese is pretty good, but it's not really complete. I still have an accent, and my vocabulary is lacking, especially in recent neologisms. I've spent more time out of Brazil than in Brazil. For me to claim to speak as a Brazilian, with a Brazilian voice about Brazilian issues, would be an arrogant lie.

Or take Rachel Dolezal: By her deeds, she has more claim to minority status than Elizabeth Warren does.

Or take Bill Clinton. There's a certain silliness to labeling him "America's first black president", but there is some reason there too. While he never experienced the prejudice of skin color, he did experience the prejudice and obstacles of growing up poor in the South. Compare with Barack Obama, who is indeed black, but had a very different life experience than most African-Americans.

Warren claims to be Cherokee. But she's a member of no tribe. She's not active in any Cherokee interest groups. She has not inherited and does not practice any Cherokee customs. She does not even know of any traditional Cherokee foods.

When she was calling herself a Cherokee at Harvard, it's not like she was any kind of resource for Native American students who might want advice on navigating the American university system, for someone coming from a Reservation background. It's not like she was bringing a Native American perspective to policy discussions with other faculty.

This DNA test only serves to underline how silly her claim was, and how silly Harvard was in publishing that claim uncritically. The real question isn't "is Warren Cherokee?" The real question is, "what is even the point of diversity?"
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Warren never claimed she was a Cherokee, only that she was of Cherokee heritage.

Why do our forum conservatives feel the need to continually lie about the nature of Warren’s claims?
 
JoeMorgue said:
Because it would be nice if we could discuss stuff that actually matters and effects peoples lives on the same level we discuss which Star Trek uniform's shoes had the best tread pattern.
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Don't we? I mean both discussions get bogged down in minutiae, personal attacks, non sequiturs and tribalism.
 
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