Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

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She still "Played the race card". To get an advantage.

But the Sombrero quip makes sense too. Bustamente didn't say which Indian tribe those centi-Morgans came from. Yet he knows they ARE Indian. Aztec or even Mayan? There has been a bit of recent research looking into tribal genes, to the point that tribal identification is possible. And that might be a bit of "Ilite libralness in the scholastic system".
 
The Big Dog said:
In this thread, we are going to pretend that tu quoque is an actual argument that is worth consideration.

This is, of course, not the case. Rather, leftists only value slurring other posters in any way possible.
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So let's just get this settled right here and now:

Big Dog is critical of Senator Warren on this issue because, according to Big Dog's values, pinpoint accuracy is of the utmost importance.

We both know the bold statement to be false. If I'm wrong, correct me.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Tell that to Trump, who has repeatedly attacked her based on her claims of Native american ancestry.
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Okay well you made noise at half of what I said.

Trump made it is an issue, but for him to do that she would have at least first made it a... point I guess.
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She mentioned native american ancestry on some forms decades ago and made a few comments about it when discussing racial issues. She did not use it to gain an advantage during the elections or for any political benefit that I am aware of.

The fault that this is an issue is all Trump's doing.
 
I hope Warren now lets this (non)issue rest.

We can trust the US media to come back to this (non)issue again and again and again during the primaries and the general election (assuming Warren runs, which I think is a certainty).
She should then just refer to the DNA study and move on to real issues.
 
"As a kid, I never asked my mom about documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage," Warren said in a 2012 campaign ad. "What kid would? But I knew my father’s family didn’t like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware. So my parents had to elope."

Heredity tests come back and show she might have an insignificant amount of native Peruvian.

Our Conclusion: Eight Fauxcahontas
 
Segnosaur said:
She mentioned native american ancestry on some forms decades ago and made a few comments about it when discussing racial issues. She did not use it to gain an advantage during the elections or for any political benefit that I am aware of.

The fault that this is an issue is all Trump's doing.
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She listed herself as a minority law professor. I find that clearly disqualifying for public office and a moral failure.
 
The Big Dog said:
"As a kid, I never asked my mom about documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage," Warren said in a 2012 campaign ad. "What kid would? But I knew my father’s family didn’t like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware. So my parents had to elope."

Heredity tests come back and show she might have an insignificant amount of native Peruvian.

Our Conclusion: Eight Fauxcahontas
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Thehe DNA test provides nothing on if that is a true or false statement. If she believed that, she isn't lying.
 
I Am The Scum said:
So let's just get this settled right here and now:

Big Dog is critical of Senator Warren on this issue because, according to Big Dog's values, pinpoint accuracy is of the utmost importance.

We both know the bold statement to be false. If I'm wrong, correct me.
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That is correct, it should read : Big Dog is critical of Senator Warren on this issue because it so stupid, Warren should not have crumbled like a sheet of paper and released silly test results that don't support her silly lies.

All better,
 
It gets better:

Trump says 'who cares' after Warren takes DNA test, denies $1 million offer

"Who cares?" Trump said when asked about the DNA test. When pressed on the once-promised $1 million payment, Trump responded: "I didn't say that. You better read it again."

In fact, Trump did promise $1 million, during a July rally, but only if the test showed she was "an Indian."

At a rally in July, Trump said: "And we will say, 'I will give you a million dollars, paid for by Trump, to your favorite charity if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian ... we'll see what she does. I have a feeling she will say no but we will hold it for the debates."
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Lies building upon lies. Warren claimed some small amount of native ancestry, birther in chief blows it up into a big deal. Now he's got to say that this amount of ancestry does not prove she's an Indian, even though she never claimed to be, but only claimed (correctly) to have some native American ancestry.

Trump lies. A lot.
 
crescent said:
It gets better:

Trump says 'who cares' after Warren takes DNA test, denies $1 million offer



Lies building upon lies. Warren claimed some small amount of native ancestry, birther in chief blows it up into a big deal. Now he's got to say that this amount of ancestry does not prove she's an Indian, even though she never claimed to be, but only claimed (correctly) to have some native American ancestry.

Trump lies. A lot.
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She further claimed specific tribal ancestry.
 
The Big Dog said:
That is correct, it should read : Big Dog is critical of Senator Warren on this issue because it so stupid, Warren should not have crumbled like a sheet of paper and released silly test results that don't support her silly lies.

All better,
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Donald Trump promised $1 million to charity if she did, so it does matter.

You do want Donald Trump to fulfill that promise, right?
 
BobTheCoward said:
Furthermore, if a 'generation' is 25-30 years, that would put the time frame of her native ancestory somewhere around the early 1800s. While that may be outside 'living' memory, it is certainly not ancient history. I know people who have built family trees that go back that far.
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You forget that she was born in 1949, which would place six generations back at 1795. That creates so many problems with the Cherokee/delaware claim.

ETA: 1795 is pretty close to early 1800s though, but I wanted to call specific attention to the issues around the trail of tears.
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i was also using a generation time from between 25-30 years. However, there is a lot of variance in that (after all, women can become mothers before they have reached the age of 20.)

I do not know the ages when Warren's ancestors gave birth, but if people started having children earlier back then it would push the time frame back to the 1800s.
 
crescent said:
It gets better:

Trump says 'who cares' after Warren takes DNA test, denies $1 million offer



Lies building upon lies. Warren claimed some small amount of native ancestry, birther in chief blows it up into a big deal. Now he's got to say that this amount of ancestry does not prove she's an Indian, even though she never claimed to be, but only claimed (correctly) to have some native American ancestry.

Trump lies. A lot.
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And no surprise that he would hide behind his own loudly proclaimed lies to welsh on a debt.

She has proven the claims she really has made to be true. Trump lied about the claims she made, and uses those lies as an excuse to weasel out.

And he probably can't afford to pay it anyway. He'd have to find someone else's money to do that.
 
casebro said:
She still "Played the race card". To get an advantage.

But the Sombrero quip makes sense too. Bustamente didn't say which Indian tribe those centi-Morgans came from. Yet he knows they ARE Indian. Aztec or even Mayan? There has been a bit of recent research looking into tribal genes, to the point that tribal identification is possible. And that might be a bit of "Ilite libralness in the scholastic system".
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Good thing you showed up. I was afraid poor TBD was going to throw his back out lugging those goal posts around all by himself.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Donald Trump promised $1 million to charity if she did, so it does matter.

You do want Donald Trump to fulfill that promise, right?
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He already denied it, so, to borrow a line from Animal house:

"You ****** up. You trusted us."

D. Bluto Blutarsky Trump
 
johnny karate said:
Were those claims disproven?
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6-10 generations make those much more unlikely. The interpretation was that it was Cherokee blood because her family was in Oklahoma and so we're the Cherokee. But at minimum 6 generations, we start having problems of Cherokee not being in Oklahoma and who know where her family was back then.
 
quadraginta said:
Because Native Americans from south of the border aren't Real Native Anericans™.

:rolleyes:
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Cherokee from south of the border?

"As a kid, I never asked my mom for documentation when she talked about our Native American heritage. What kid would? But I knew my father's family didn't like that she was part Cherokee and part Delaware, so my parents had to elope."
-- Elizabeth Warren
 
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