Elizabeth Warren Ancestry Thread

[JoeMorgue]

I... don't... care. I don't understand why Elizabeth Warren thought her homeopathic level of Native Americaness was something any of us were the least bit interested in and I don't care that the Republicans think it's a hill to die defending.

There is no angle to approach this discussion from that isn't stupid.

 

[Upchurch]

That was literally my first post in the thread!

That is amazing!

Yours was merely representative.

 

[sylvan8798]

No I think it is silly to claim that one has Native American history because maybe someone 6 to 10 generations ago might have been native American. I guess you are not seeing how absolutely ludicrous that is?

My ancestors from England were in Maryland 10 or more generations ago (circa 1645). I guess it's ludicrous to claim I have British ancestry. At which generation was it still ok? And what do I say now if asked where my ancestors immigrated from?

 

[BobTheCoward]

The error you are making is that you do not know what Warren's actual claim was. This evidence fully supports every claim I have ever heard her make.

Perhaps you can link to some claim that this evidence does not support?

For the record, if you only response is "she changed her ethnicity in her bio" then don't bother. That dog won't hunt unless you can show she claimed to more than she actually is.

How about the claim that marking an ethnic background on a document based on family stories is poor character?

 

[beren]

How about the claim that marking an ethnic background on a document based on family stories is poor character?

Has Warren made that claim?
Otherwise I don't see her having a burden to support it.

 

[The Big Dog]

didn't she claim that she had a descendant from the Delaware or Cherokee tribes?

Yeah, no.

 

[kookbreaker]

Not sure this is reliable but found this.

This article looks like it was rewritten since I last read it. He's dropped the percentages and 10 generation bit and has come back with "you can't trust Democrats" routine.

 

[BobTheCoward]

Has Warren made that claim?
Otherwise I don't see her having a burden to support it.

It is a claim about the claim she made on that document. Her evidence at the time was flimsy.

 

[I Am The Scum]

didn't she claim that she had a descendant from the Delaware or Cherokee tribes?

Yeah, no.

In this thread, Big Dog is going to pretend that he highly values pinpoint accuracy in the statements of politicians. This is, of course, not the case. Rather, he only values slurring Democrats in any way possible.

 

[Segnosaur]

Bustamante said that Warren’s test results show the “vast majority” of her ancestry is European, but that “the results strongly support the existence of an unadmixed Native American ancestor,” likely 6-10 generations ago.

As I understand it the claim was both grandparents on one side had some native American ancestry. This would be consistent with that.

Furthermore, if a 'generation' is 25-30 years, that would put the time frame of her native ancestory somewhere around the early 1800s. While that may be outside 'living' memory, it is certainly not ancient history. I know people who have built family trees that go back that far.

 

[The Big Dog]

In this thread, Big Dog is going to pretend that he highly values pinpoint accuracy in the statements of politicians. This is, of course, not the case. Rather, he only values slurring Democrats in any way possible.

In this thread, we are going to pretend that tu quoque is an actual argument that is worth consideration.

This is, of course, not the case. Rather, leftists only value slurring other posters in any way possible.

 

[kookbreaker]

Furthermore, if a 'generation' is 25-30 years, that would put the time frame of her native ancestory somewhere around the early 1800s. While that may be outside 'living' memory, it is certainly not ancient history. I know people who have built family trees that go back that far.

I've got much of mine way past that. Mind you, the major work was not done by me.

 

[Segnosaur]

I... don't... care. I don't understand why Elizabeth Warren thought her homeopathic level of Native Americaness was something any of us were the least bit interested in and I don't care that the Republicans think it's a hill to die defending.

There is no angle to approach this discussion from that isn't stupid.

Tell that to Trump, who has repeatedly attacked her based on her claims of Native american ancestry.

He even offered her $1 million if she took a DNA test.

If we didn't have Stubby McBonespurs sitting in the white house, Warren's genetic history probably wouldn't have been an issue. Trump made it so.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Tell that to Trump, who has repeatedly attacked her based on her claims of Native american ancestry.

He even offered her $1 million if she took a DNA test.

If we didn't have Stubby McBonespurs sitting in the white house, Warren's genetic history probably wouldn't have been an issue. Trump made it so.

Okay well you made noise at half of what I said.

Trump made it is an issue, but for him to do that she would have at least first made it a... point I guess.

 

[kookbreaker]

In this thread, Big Dog is going to pretend that he highly values pinpoint accuracy in the statements of politicians. This is, of course, not the case. Rather, he only values slurring Democrats in any way possible.

Warren's claim is that her parents had to elope because her Father's family didn't like her Mother's family because of alleged Native blood. So they eloped, from Oklahoma.

I don't particularly care for Warren, but she's used this story about the overwhelming nature of bigotry in those days, not for any benefit of her own.

Meanwhile, House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy claims indian ancestry that is much more suspect, is a member of a fake tribe, and has gained minority contracts from this connection. https://splinternews.com/top-house-republicans-family-reportedly-benefitted-from-1829750894

 

[BobTheCoward]

Furthermore, if a 'generation' is 25-30 years, that would put the time frame of her native ancestory somewhere around the early 1800s. While that may be outside 'living' memory, it is certainly not ancient history. I know people who have built family trees that go back that far.

You forget that she was born in 1949, which would place six generations back at 1795. That creates so many problems with the Cherokee/delaware claim.

ETA: 1795 is pretty close to early 1800s though, but I wanted to call specific attention to the issues around the trail of tears.

 

[quadraginta]

"The bad news for Pocahontas: she’s gotta swap the headdress for a sombrero. Señorita Warren."

-- James Woods (Oct 15, 2018)

Because Native Americans from south of the border aren't Real Native Anericans™.

 

[JoeMorgue]

Because Native Americans from south of the border aren't Real Native Anericans™.

Yeah. They crossed the border that didn't exist yet to take jobs from real Native Americans and have anchor babies.

 

[crescent]

Wait, wait, wait... she released this to SUPPORT her claim? That is hilarious.

The thing is - THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT SHE CLAIMED ALL ALONG!!

It was the conservatives who made a big deal of it - not her. She never claimed to have very much native ancestry at all. She had family lore of a native ancestor some generations back, she mentioned that, and conservatives and Republicans freaked out because she looks white.

Guess what? She told the truth, the genetics support her claim.

But hey, gotta move those goalposts, don't you?

 

[Upchurch]

Trump made it is an issue, but for him to do that she would have at least first made it a... point I guess.

No, a political opponent first made a ...point of it when digging into her background looking for dirt. The history has been outlined in the thread.