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New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

well as noted in Grassley's letter, there clearly was something hinky going on between Ford and her team and Feinstein and Senator Shut Up behind the scenes.

Ford did not just luck into representation by two very well known DNC attorney hacks, the same ones who were refusing to turn over to the committee the therapist's notes.

Her star evidence was the claim that she had told her therapist "something" about an attack by a changing number of participants, but refused to turn over that evidence?

Why did anyone (excepting of course the dead-end leftists) think she was credible?
 
Leaving aside the issue of whether Ford was telling the truth, it absolutely is true that the Democrats (Feinstein in particular) were plotting to discredit him. There was absolutely no good-faith reason for Feinstein to have done what she did. It was a disservice to both Kavanaugh AND Ford. He had every right to be angry about that.

I agree with the highlighted. The next sentence though excuses an experienced judge for acting like a spoiled teenager in from of the Senate Judiciary Committee. He would never have hired a clerk who acted like that. Luckily for him, his fate was already sealed by the political realities.
 
Leaving aside the issue of whether Ford was telling the truth, it absolutely is true that the Democrats (Feinstein in particular) were plotting to discredit him. There was absolutely no good-faith reason for Feinstein to have done what she did. It was a disservice to both Kavanaugh AND Ford. He had every right to be angry about that.

I don't care how angry you are, if you can't help but act like a toddler in your interview I'm not hiring you.
 
Leaving aside the issue of whether Ford was telling the truth, it absolutely is true that the Democrats (Feinstein in particular) were plotting to discredit him. There was absolutely no good-faith reason for Feinstein to have done what she did. It was a disservice to both Kavanaugh AND Ford. He had every right to be angry about that.

And that somehow justifies the lies and unhinged conspiracy theories?
 
I don't care how angry you are, if you can't help but act like a toddler in your interview I'm not hiring you.

It wasn't an interview at that point. Furthermore, he wasn't playing to you. You weren't his target audience. Your opinion didn't matter. Among the people whose opinion he needed to sway, his performance worked. You may not like that, but objectively speaking, successfully playing to the audience that matters isn't disqualifying for any job.
 
It wasn't an interview at that point. Furthermore, he wasn't playing to you. You weren't his target audience. Your opinion didn't matter. Among the people whose opinion he needed to sway, his performance worked. You may not like that, but objectively speaking, successfully playing to the audience that matters isn't disqualifying for any job.

Oh, ok. So he wasn't actually angry. It was an act and it worked. Sounds more realistic than your previous defense of him.
 
Oh, ok. So he wasn't actually angry. It was an act and it worked. Sounds more realistic than your previous defense of him.

Who said that he wasn't actually angry? Nobody. Honestly, this is one of your weakest attempts at a counter-argument.

Furthermore, so far nobody has even said that he shouldn't be angry if the charges are false. People have only complained that he showed that he was angry. Supposedly this demonstrates a lack of self-control, which is the basis for the argument that it's disqualifying, NOT the fact that he was angry. But if showing anger is the proper course of action (and his successful confirmation suggests maybe it was), then that doesn't demonstrate a lack of self control. Expressed anger and self control are only antithetical when the expression is obviously counter-productive. That doesn't appear to be the case here.
 
Yes it's reasonable to seek out more evidence.

But the republicans did not. The committee refused to call additional witnesses to back up either side, and the FBI investigation was hampered at the start (with limits on who could be interviewed) and even now there are multiple people who wanted to talk to the FBI but were turned away.
They had sworn testimony from multiple other sources.
Which of course does not mean that a complete investigation has been done, since there are people who have tried to contact the FBI with relevant information but were not questioned. Nor does that 'sworn testimony' indicate whether the people who supposedly had submitted sworn testimony had been properly interviewed by the FBI.

Heck, we saw one person... Renate Dolphin, who originally supported Kavanaugh until she found out about the whole 'Renate Alumnus' thing. I rather suspect that much of that former 'sworn testimony' would be similarly overturned.

But hey, you got a rapist on the supreme court. You should be proud of yourself!
Other than the TV spectacle it would provide, what advantage do you honestly think having them testify in person would provide?
The fact that their testimony could be cross-examined and looked for inconsistencies. The fact that people doing the cross examination could actually ask questions that might have been relevant that were not addressed in their testimony.

At the very least, even if the rape apologists on the justice committee didn't want to make it a 'TV spectacle', they could have gotten the FBI to talk to everyone who could have shed light on Kavanaugh's history at the time, in private. But of course that didn't happen did it. Instead we got limitations by the white house about who should be investigated and a bunch of people who wanted to talk to the FBI but were never interviewed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/v..._do_stuff_he_said_under_oath_he_didnt_do.html

And the Republicans asked for Ford's full therapist notes, which she refused. So you can't honestly claim one side was for full disclosure and one side was trying to cover everything up.
And once again... she was willing to provide them to the FBI had she been interviewed. Given the fact that the Republicans in congress are pretty much rape-apologists, I can certainly understand Ford being hesitant to have personal details made available to individuals hostile to the truth and willing to engage in all sorts of dirty tricks. Under the same situation, I'd prefer to deal only with a neutral 3rd party such as the FBI.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...r-fbi-will-receive-therapy-notes-if-it-agrees

But hey, you got a rapist appointed to the supreme court! Wear that with pride!

Given that there's basically nothing for them to investigate (no date, no location, no witnesses), I'm not sure why you think this means anything.
Except of course there's plenty to investigate.

Kavanaugh's testimony regarding his actions when he was a student could be examined for accuracy, which would go a long way to establish whether he was credible or not. (If you interview his former classmates who contradict him on what a "Renate Alumnus" was, or his "devil's triangle", then his credibility as a whole takes a big hit.)

You can investigate the houses that the individuals named at the party lived at to establish if any of them match the description as provided by Ford.

You can interview others who may have been in the same social circles to see if the other claims have validity

We didn't get that though did we. Instead we got a big whitewash from the republicans, and a probable rapist and perjurer on the supreme court. Enjoy your victory.

The age of American exceptionalism is over.
 
Leaving aside the issue of whether Ford was telling the truth, it absolutely is true that the Democrats (Feinstein in particular) were plotting to discredit him. There was absolutely no good-faith reason for Feinstein to have done what she did. It was a disservice to both Kavanaugh AND Ford. He had every right to be angry about that.
And the distraction tactic continues, try to change the focus from Kavanaugh to the evil Democrats.

As if he didn't lie under oath multiple times, as if he didn't show extreme partisanship, as if he didn't cite a ludicrous conspiracy theory.
 
Oh well, it seems that we have reached the scream into the void stage of the "discussion' where the dead-enders conclude Kavanaugh is a 'rapist' despite the fact that there was ZERO evidence at all and in fact the aggrieved party Ford never made such a claim.

say, maybe Hillary Clinton can make her forest available for the folks to scream and cry in, because:

ELECTIONS MATTER.

Congratulations to our newest Associate Justice of the United States Supreme Court!
 
But hey, you got a rapist on the supreme court.

Nobody alleges Kavanaugh raped anyone. The only person to have ever done so quickly retracted the claim. The fact that you keep calling him a rapist despite the lack of even an accusation to that effect demonstrates you have no actual interest in the truth here.

You should be proud of yourself!

:rolleyes:
 
Who said that he wasn't actually angry? Nobody.

You did. You said he was "playing" to an audience. His speech was also pre-written, so I'm concluding based on what you're telling us.

Honestly, this is one of your weakest attempts at a counter-argument.

Blame yourself, then. In your continued efforts to defend Kavanaugh, you managed to argue two mutually-exclusive points.

Furthermore, so far nobody has even said that he shouldn't be angry if the charges are false.

Irrelevant.
 
Attempted rapist. Let's not sully this good man's name.
Hey, I object to Kavanaugh as much as the next guy. But in fairness, he's an accused attempted rapist. Given the lack of corroboration, I don't think it's fair to label him that way.

Mind you, I believe her. But 36 years later without corroboration, oh well.
 
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FBI director Wray confirms white house limited investigation

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/10/kavanaugh-fbi-probe-limit-888667

I've asked this multiple times already in this thread but the Trumpets don't seem to want to address it. Why did Trump lie to the American people and claim the FBI had free reign to investigate?

that headline is very misleading and unsupported by the quotes to the testimony:

"I've spoken with our background investigation specialists and they have assured me this was handled in a way consistent with their experience and the standard process," the FBI director said, later adding that the inquiry was "very specific in scope—limited in scope."

Wray confirmed that background investigations are handled differently from other FBI probes and that the scope of inquiries into judicial nominees is dictated by the White House. However, he declined to discuss any specifics about what the White House decided should or should not be examined during the brief follow-up investigation conducted following the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on sexual assault allegations against Kavanaugh.
 
that headline is very misleading and unsupported by the quotes to the testimony:

It says that the standard process was used. The standard process is that the white house determines the scope and who can and can't be interviewed. We know the white house limited it because numerous people with information weren't talked to as well as Ford and Kavanaugh and the white house deputy press secretary said as much in a link I provided earlier. Wray admits it was limited in scope and that the scope is determined by the white house though he didn't provide specifics on the limits.

So for the fourth time. Why did Trump lie to the American people about the FBI having free reign to interview who they wanted?
 

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