Cont: Mueller Investigation pt3

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phiwum said:
Unless I made a mistake, the first post in this particular subthread is from BrooklynBaby. Your exchange with Zaganza did not occur upstream of this post.
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You made a mistake. My exchange with Zaganza most certainly does occur upstream of that post by BB. My reply to Elagabalus should be interpreted in the context of that exchange, not anything BB has posted.
 
JoeMorgue said:
Doesn't matter. They are both part of the same tribe and therefore responsible for what each other says. All Lefties/Righties have to be ready to on a moment's notice answer for everything a Lefty/Righty has ever done.
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It matters a lot, and you're entirely wrong about my motives and reasoning. Curmudgeonly posts are one thing, but this kind of outright dickishness needs to stop.
 
theprestige said:
You made a mistake. My exchange with Zaganza most certainly does occur upstream of that post by BB. My reply to Elagabalus should be interpreted in the context of that exchange, not anything BB has posted.
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Not upstream in the sense I mean. Following the links in the quoted material, you replied to me who replied to you who replied to Elagabalus who replied to Resume who replied to Thaiboxerken who replied to BrooklynBaby who replied to no one.

That you had an exchange with Zaganza earlier than BB's post doesn't change the fact that BB started this particular little subconversation, so whatever Zaganza said elsewhere has little to do with my comments to you. Zaganza doesn't appear the the subthread, as you can easily see.

Now, fora like this are a little tricky, because you can't see the subthreads without tracing through parents, as I just did, but I read your post in the context of the conversation in which it occurred.
 
phiwum said:
Not upstream in the sense I mean. Following the links in the quoted material, you replied to me who replied to you who replied to Elagabalus who replied to Resume who replied to Thaiboxerken who replied to BrooklynBaby who replied to no one.

That you had an exchange with Zaganza earlier than BB's post doesn't change the fact that BB started this particular little subconversation, so whatever Zaganza said elsewhere has little to do with my comments to you. Zaganza doesn't appear the the subthread, as you can easily see.

Now, fora like this are a little tricky, because you can't see the subthreads without tracing through parents, as I just did, but I read your post in the context of the conversation in which it occurred.
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Fair enough. That explains the confusion.

Doesn't change the fact that you got my argument very wrong, and ended up crafting a series of straw men to rebut it.

It also doesn't change the fact that you overlooked my previous exchange with Zaganza, where he does exactly the thing you accused me of doing. Now, I assume it's just a coincidence, that you selected my comments to object to, rather than Zaganza's, but it's still kind of disheartening, when people skip right over things they should be objecting to, to selectively level those accusations at you. Especially when they get it wrong.
 
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Cabbage said:
I concur with your last comment, starting with you: You're wrong when you say "the correct answer is not 'yes, he's charged people'".

He's charged several Russians with interfering in the election.
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More than several, in fact, and let's not forget the very detailed indictment. Mueller's team has obviously penetrated the actual Russian operation, and, just to be clear, by "penetrated" I do mean "boofed".
 
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phiwum said:
No one should trust his certainty on the highlighted more than he trusts Mueller. Did Trump conspire? There is some suggestive evidence, but surely I can't be certain he did.

Thus, if Mueller finds no evidence of collusion, I'll accept the result, barring unusual circumstances.
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Whatever the result, we'll always have the Trump Tower meeting, the famous email-chain, and Trump's promise (made before the event) to present dirt on Clinton immediately after it. We can all draw our own conclusions from that : I certainly have.
 
theprestige said:
That's some grade A collusion, right there. Mueller must be swatting Papadopolous as we speak.
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At least George has a pretty wife to think about while taking a couple of weeks’ R&R at Club Fed after his conviction for lying about contacts with ... who was it again? The Chinese? Iranians?
 
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theprestige said:
But let's be clear about the stated goal of his investigation, and what progress he's made towards that goal. And let's be clear that if we believe that Trump conspired with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 US elections, we cannot settle for evidence of other crimes, in lieu of evidence for the crime we set out to prove. Nor should we be entirely complacent about an investigation that turns up crimes other than the ones it actually set out to discover.
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Okay, there are a few things which are clear on that front.

The first is that Mueller runs a very tight ship with no leaks, and we don't yet know what he knows.

The second is that most of the Americans thus far indicted have made a plea bargain and, as a result, ended up with much lighter sentencing than would be expected for such crimes otherwise. From this we can glean that they have provided something of value to Mueller, and from the information we know about them we can say that it's not unlikely that Mueller is not just seeking lenient sentencing on crimes he can prosecute, but is choosing not to prosecute some crimes that he could.

The third is that this is a very sensitive investigation going, as it is, after a sitting president. If Mueller is sensible - and it very much appears that he is - he will want to get all his ducks in a row before starting to pull the trigger on his top-level targets.

The fourth is that many experts, former investigators, former prosecutors, etc. have said that Mueller is moving at lightning speed, given the size, complexity, and sensitivity of the investigation.

Taking all of that into account, the fact that no Americans have yet been indicted on charges relating to conspiracy or treason has no significance whatsoever. None.
 
The server in Trump Tower talking to Alfa-bank in 2016 is still under investigation:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/...between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign

They concluded that the domain lookups were deliberate and likely entailed some form of communication (perhaps use of an instant messaging service). “Is it possible there is an innocuous explanation for all this?” one told Filkins. “Yes, of course. And it’s also possible that space aliens did this. It’s possible — just not very likely.”
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Democrats say they will start an investigation if given the majority in November.
 
I'm rally not going to be too shocked if I find out, at some point in the future, that large swathes (like, a third or more) of the US government is actually being employed by the Kremlin.


The worship of money has its vulnerabilities. I guess.
 
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