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Intelligent Design

Belz... said:
??? Would you care to elaborate on that ? And if it doesn't make sense, how can you be sure it's a "spiritual world" ??
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Because once you resolve whatever "issues" the dreams represent, you usually find yourself in an elevated state. Often times in a group setting, interacting with live people. At least this has been my experience.
 
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Iacchus said:
The mind is merely a portal, which exists between these two realms.
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You have said this many times on this forum. Often, you have been asked how it is that the mind can negotiate between a physical realm which by definition cannot be influenced by anything non-physical (if it can influence it, it is physical), and a non-physical realm which is completely immune from the constraints of the physical, and which physical entities cannot influence.

You have never answered that question, but you have asserted and re-asserted your claim many times.

Care to answer it this time? Or would it be easier to admit you are just making stuff up?
 
Belz... said:
Really ? And how come it's not the result ? How could you tell the difference ?
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Should it really matter? Without the "I," what is there to know? Meaning, the source of all knowing begins with ourselves.

"Instinctively" ?
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People have known of these things throughout the ages.
 
Iacchus said:
A memory is an "experienced" event. At the time, these events represented a certain alignment or, "association" in the spiritual world. So in that sense a memory is also developed and/or maintained in the spiritual sense. Therefore it's these associations that are "hashed out" in our dreams ... while in the process of refining our understanding and developing our spiritual growth. The spirits do in fact live through our memories, through the thoughts and feelings they evoke and, what these associations represent.
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In Loftus's work on reconstructive memory, she has "injected" (it's a metaphor, relax) memories of shaking hands with Bugs Bunny at Disney World. Now, in the real world, Bugs has never been to Disney. Are you saying that these memories are of a real experience?

If you are saying that the memories themselves are a real experience, simply an experience of seeing something that may or may not have actually occurred, then I will agree. But then, a dream is also a real experience of dreaming, with no "real world" experience that coincides with it. So I think that the "reality" of a memory or dream as simply memory or dream is not what you are arguing. What you are arguing is that fantasy is reality.

Good luck with that.
 
Mercutio said:
You have said this many times on this forum. Often, you have been asked how it is that the mind can negotiate between a physical realm which by definition cannot be influenced by anything non-physical (if it can influence it, it is physical), and a non-physical realm which is completely immune from the constraints of the physical, and which physical entities cannot influence.
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Nonsense. Everything has its interior aspect. And it's this interior aspect that's associated with the spiritual realm.
 
Mercutio said:
You have said this many times on this forum. Often, you have been asked how it is that the mind can negotiate between a physical realm which by definition cannot be influenced by anything non-physical (if it can influence it, it is physical), and a non-physical realm which is completely immune from the constraints of the physical, and which physical entities cannot influence.

You have never answered that question, but you have asserted and re-asserted your claim many times.

Care to answer it this time? Or would it be easier to admit you are just making stuff up?
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Mercutio,
We've been over this before. He doen't have to give any actual proof, just assertations and implications. Evidence? Bah! Why would anyone as obviously enlightened as Iacchus need to provide evidence to the likes of us? It would obviously be wasted, due to us not having the same experiences as He. He is the great Iacchus, not some MeHum like you or me. He's special.

 
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Iacchus said:
Because once you resolve whatever "issues" the dreams represent, you usually find yourself in an elevated state. And quite often in a group interacting with live people. At least this has been my experience.
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That is a load of bull. For years I've taken notes of my dreams, for fun. The only thing I was able to ascertain was that the elements of each dream were things I thought about or experienced recently. I was amused, but not "elevated".
 
Iacchus said:
Should it really matter? Without the "I," what is there to know? Meaning, the source of all knowing begins with ourselves.

People have known of these things throughout the ages.
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And without the "We", we wouldn't know anything of that which binds us. Meaning, the source of all fact and knowledge begins between ourselves.

People haven't known of these things throughout the ages. They became apparent after millenia of struggle and were codified within the past half millenia as the sciences.

Now we know how to know the difference between what we know within ourselves and what we know without.
 
kuroyume0161 said:
People haven't known of these things throughout the ages. They became apparent after millenia of struggle and were codified within the past half millenia as the sciences.
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The "things" that I am referring to here are things of a spiritual matter, not what Science may or may not have assessed on the matter.
 
Belz... said:
They have also known that the Earth is flat, which is patently false.
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So, just because it may in fact appear that God doesn't exist, that it holds just as much potential of being proven otherwise? Hmm ... very interesting.
 
Iacchus said:
The "things" that I am referring to here are things of a spiritual matter, not what Science may or may not have assessed on the matter.
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Which, kuroyume, if you grab your Handy Dandy Iacchus Decoder Ring, you'll find trasnlates to:

"I'm going to keep spouting drivel with no evidentairy chain to back it up. I expect that no one, including myself, will be able to follow this rot, but I'll keep throwing it out to amaze, befuddle and entertain the masses."
 
kmortis said:
Which, kuroyume, if you grab your Handy Dandy Iacchus Decoder Ring, you'll find trasnlates to:

"I'm going to keep spouting drivel with no evidentairy chain to back it up. I expect that no one, including myself, will be able to follow this rot, but I'll keep throwing it out to amaze, befuddle and entertain the masses."
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"The Kingdom of God is within you" ... So is everything else.
 
Mercutio said:
You have said this many times on this forum. Often, you have been asked how it is that the mind can negotiate between a physical realm which by definition cannot be influenced by anything non-physical (if it can influence it, it is physical), and a non-physical realm which is completely immune from the constraints of the physical, and which physical entities cannot influence.
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Our physical bodies, are not immune from the "non-physical" entities that reside within them.
 
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drkitten said:
"Everything else" is within me? My God, I really have gone off the rails on my diet, haven't I?
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Do you deny then that consciousness arises from within? What other "things" could you hope to refer to without it?
 
Iacchus said:
Our bodies, are not immune from the "non-physical" entities that reside within them.
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"Non-physical" like these?
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