Cont: The Trump Presidency X: 10-10 'til we do it again

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phiwum said:
Not fair.

I loathe Trump, but some of his supporters are real Americans.
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In fact, they're "real Americans" in the truest sense of the term. Ignorant, hateful, always looking for glory via war.

So, could we finally change the terms?
 
newyorkguy said:
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But many people around the rest of the country seemed unaware of some of the criticism The Don got over the years. They never heard of the United States Football League, the Trump Shuttle. They knew very little about Atlantic City and the questionable strategy he followed there. They were of the opinion -- I heard this a number of times -- that they admired the fact that he was a businessman who suffered some business failures, yet regrouped and became even more successful. I think the television show The Apprentice helped him immeasurably, in introducing Trump to the rest of the U.S. and doing it on his terms.
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That's a disgraceful failure of the mass media. They mostly treated him as an entertainer and an sideshow, rather than a serious and dangerous leader of a movement. CNN and other outlets routinely allowed him to conduct live interviews by telephone, rather than coming into a studio like everybody else, and CNN in particular gave enormous amounts of air time to Trump surrogates, particularly that deranged Katrina woman. Ex-CBS head (and we know why he's "ex") famously said, "It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464

It always astonished me that the other Republican candidates didn't unload on Trump early. Bush, Rubio and Cruz all certainly had the resources to expose Trump. The Republican leadership was contemptuous of Trump. But they didn't take him seriously either.
 
Bob001 said:
That's a disgraceful failure of the mass media. They mostly treated him as an entertainer and an sideshow, rather than a serious and dangerous leader of a movement. CNN and other outlets routinely allowed him to conduct live interviews by telephone, rather than coming into a studio like everybody else, and CNN in particular gave enormous amounts of air time to Trump surrogates, particularly that deranged Katrina woman. Ex-CBS head (and we know why he's "ex") famously said, "It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS."
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/leslie-moonves-donald-trump-may-871464

It always astonished me that the other Republican candidates didn't unload on Trump early. Bush, Rubio and Cruz all certainly had the resources to expose Trump. The Republican leadership was contemptuous of Trump. But they didn't take him seriously either.
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I'll co-sign this. Dolt 45 should never have made it past Iowa, much less into the Oval Office by the same press that he delighted on insulting.

(By the way, hang onto this note - the habit of supporting people that tell you they hate you will come up, again and again.)
 
Huh.

Abstract

Using data from the American National Election Studies, we investigated the relationship between cognitive ability and attitudes toward and actual voting for presidential candidates in the 2012 and 2016 U.S. presidential elections (i.e., Romney, Obama, Trump, and Clinton). Isolating this relationship from competing relationships, results showed that verbal ability was a significant negative predictor of support and voting for Trump (but not Romney) and a positive predictor of support and voting for Obama and Clinton. By comparing within and across the election years, our analyses revealed the nature of support for Trump, including that support for Trump was better predicted by lower verbal ability than education or income. In general, these results suggest that the 2016 U.S. presidential election had less to do with party affiliation, income, or education and more to do with basic cognitive ability.
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Bolding mine. Also, I don't have access to the full paper, so I'm unable to more deeply check the methodology and specifics.
 
The early polling numbers for 2020 -- and even the pollsters say it's probably too early -- show Trump with polling numbers between 28% and 32% against 11 potential Democratic candidates. Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren all beat him. There is a huge undecided factor, which gets bigger with candidates who have lesser name recognition. [Poll below, click to enlarge.]
From a floor of 28 percent to a ceiling of 32 percent he has a very solid base of supporters — but it’s a base that is just not that big. For all the attention lavished on “Trump Voters Still Like Trump” stories, a candidate who got 46 percent of the vote in 2016 can only count on about a third of the electorate to commit to his reelection. News link
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I don't want to see Trump impeached. That would make him a martyr and our politics even uglier and more divisive than they are now. I want to see him get rejected -- instead of reelected -- by the voters on November 3, 2020. Remember that date!
 

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newyorkguy said:
The early polling numbers for 2020 -- and even the pollsters say it's probably too early -- show Trump with polling numbers between 28% and 32% against 11 potential Democratic candidates. Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden and Elizabeth Warren all beat him. There is a huge undecided factor, which gets bigger with candidates who have lesser name recognition. [Poll below, click to enlarge.]



I don't want to see Trump impeached. That would make him a martyr and our politics even uglier and more divisive than they are now. I want to see him get rejected -- instead of reelected -- by the voters on November 3, 2020. Remember that date!
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I can't decide which I'd prefer: Trump gets impeached for criminal acts including, but not restricted to, conspiracy, tax fraud, obstruction of justice or rejected by the American people in 2020. Either way, it'll be a day to celebrate.
 
Stacyhs said:
I can't decide which I'd prefer: Trump gets impeached for criminal acts including, but not restricted to, conspiracy, tax fraud, obstruction of justice or rejected by the American people in 2020. Either way, it'll be a day to celebrate.
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Rejected by Americans at the polls, *then* summarily indicted (and arrested, for good measure) for his crimes. He cannot have too much scorn heaped upon him. A complete fraud and conman of traitorous proportion who's helping Putin to divide and wreck the US.
 
Unlike in 2016, in 2020 Trump will have to run on his record and I think even The Don will have a tough time trying to spin that. He's accomplished very little and with the midterms looming, he's faced with having to work with a very skeptical Congress.
 
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