New SCOTUS Judge II: The Wrath of Kavanaugh

Travis said:
It is unhealthy that I'm upset that we now have a Supreme Court that will soon rule that only white Christian men have basic rights? That only men will be allowed to own property, vote or read books in public? That soon we will start burning people at the stake again for various religious crimes? That soon this nation will be an unlivable hellhole with tens of millions dead in the concentration camps that will definitely also be ruled as "constitutional?"


I choose to be upset about the nightmare that is about to descend on this nation.
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WOW !!

Not much else to say here.
 
I'm really curious that now the Republicans have a majority of what appears to be right to lifers whether they will actually reverse Roe v Wade? I mean I have always expected that they will support the screwing of the middle class and the poor because that is what Republicans have been doing my entire life. But I've always been skeptical that when this day came that they would actually do this even though they have always led the Christian right that they would.
 
Minoosh said:
It's not inevitable. It's really not. If this isn't hyperbole, I'll go out on a limb and say ... you're wrong. That stuff isn't going to happen.
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Think they won't restrict voting rights, allow police to attack people with impunity, bar people from entering the country due to their religion?

They've already done all of that, this past decade. And it just so happens that those voting restrictions, those bans, that police violence, is targeted at black, Hispanic, and Muslim people. But, you know, you can't prove "intent", and they didn't actually write it in the statutes, they just said it out loud while writing and signing them, so that's fine.

Care to give a reason why they won't go further? Particularly when the president is an overt white supremacist, large numbers of people hate LGBT people ("They'll molest our kids in the bathroom! We prefer our child molesters to be cis, then we'll vote for them! I want to fire them just because they're gay!")

I think Travis is pushing an extreme, but for the moment, we're contending with what Adam Serwer refers to a Second Reformation court - rampant corporate power combined with white nationalism. And this was predictable and a promised feature of a Trump presidency.
 
Ziggurat said:
Don't become a parody of yourself. Nothing remotely like that is going to happen. The most disruptive thing he might do is overturn Chevron deference, but that is so far from your fears as to be irrelevant to them.
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I have to disagree to some extent. While Travis' comments were certainly exaggerated, there is an element of truth underlying the hyperbole.

The GOP is already ramping up to retry Roe v. Wade and a number of other key principles.

What I see happening, especially if they manage to hold onto their congressional majorities, is a rapid machine-gun attack on some of the key principles of civil rights, privacy rights, worker's rights, and reproductive rights.

Will they manage to completely overturn Roe v. Wade, Obergefell v. Hodges, and other landmark cases? No, probably not, that would be too polarizing and lose them their more moderate supporters. But what will happen is that we will see them whittling away at the edges, and doing a lot of end-runs around the precedents, eventually bypassing them entirely under the auspices of "religious freedom" legislation and the like, which has never been about anything but the freedom of mainstream straight white Christians to discriminate against anyone else. So no, they won't be directly overturned, but they will effectively overturned and ignored, and a new era of Jim-Crow-esque and "separate but legal" legislation supported by the highest court in the land.

We'll cases like Ernst & Young LLP, Epic Systems Corporation and Murphy Oil USA, Inc over and over again, reaching further and further, eroding workers' rights and protection.

We'll see more travesties like Trump's Muslim ban upheld by the Supreme Court, eroding human and civil rights. We'll see more bans implemented and upheld, we'll see "sanctuary cities" harassed and ultimately suppressed entirely. We'll see more children in cages.

We'll see a gradual whittling away of environmental legislation, as the courts rule against environmentalist groups and for big business.

And to ensure that they retain their majority, we'll see more extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts of the sort that Supreme Court justices like Roberts have already given the green light to.

And even if the Dems manage to break the GOP's majority, all attempts to pass and enforce civil rights and workers' rights and womens' rights and immigrant rights legislation will be met with a solid wall of resistance in the Supreme Court stymieing their efforts for at least the next 20-30 years.

Things are going to get a whole lot darker before they get better, if they ever do.

Belz... said:
I don't think the Supreme Court works that way, mate.
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It has in the past, and looks like it's headed that way again right now.
 
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luchog said:
I have to disagree to some extent. While Travis' comments were certainly exaggerated, there is an element of truth underlying the hyperbole.

The GOP is already ramping up to retry Roe v. Wade and a number of other key principles.

What I see happening, especially if they manage to hold onto their congressional majorities, is a rapid machine-gun attack on some of the key principles of civil rights, privacy rights, worker's rights, and reproductive rights.

Will they manage to completely overturn Roe v. Wade, Obergefell v. Hodges, and other landmark cases? No, probably not, that would be too polarizing and lose them their more moderate supporters. But what will happen is that we will see them whittling away at the edges, and doing a lot of end-runs around the precedents, eventually bypassing them entirely under the auspices of "religious freedom" legislation and the like, which has never been about anything but the freedom of mainstream straight white Christians to discriminate against anyone else. So no, they won't be directly overturned, but they will effectively overturned and ignored, and a new era of Jim-Crow-esque and "separate but legal" legislation supported by the highest court in the land.

We'll cases like Ernst & Young LLP, Epic Systems Corporation and Murphy Oil USA, Inc over and over again, reaching further and further, eroding workers' rights and protection.

We'll see more travesties like Trump's Muslim ban upheld by the Supreme Court, eroding human and civil rights. We'll see more bans implemented and upheld, we'll see "sanctuary cities" harassed and ultimately suppressed entirely. We'll see more children in cages.

We'll see a gradual whittling away of environmental legislation, as the courts rule against environmentalist groups and for big business.

And to ensure that they retain their majority, we'll see more extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts of the sort that Supreme Court justices like Roberts have already given the green light to.

And even if the Dems manage to break the GOP's majority, all attempts to pass and enforce civil rights and workers' rights and womens' rights and immigrant rights legislation will be met with a solid wall of resistance in the Supreme Court stymieing their efforts for at least the next 20-30 years.

Things are going to get a whole lot darker before they get better, if they ever do.
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Did you have to paint that dystopian picture?
 
Travis said:
It is unhealthy that I'm upset that we now have a Supreme Court that will soon rule that only white Christian men have basic rights? That only men will be allowed to own property, vote or read books in public? That soon we will start burning people at the stake again for various religious crimes? That soon this nation will be an unlivable hellhole with tens of millions dead in the concentration camps that will definitely also be ruled as "constitutional?"


I choose to be upset about the nightmare that is about to descend on this nation.
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If I've told you once, I've told you a million times, stop exaggerating.
 
acbytesla said:
I'm really curious that now the Republicans have a majority of what appears to be right to lifers whether they will actually reverse Roe v Wade? I mean I have always expected that they will support the screwing of the middle class and the poor because that is what Republicans have been doing my entire life. But I've always been skeptical that when this day came that they would actually do this even though they have always led the Christian right that they would.
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It's very unlikely that they would actually overturn Roe v. Wade. They can only judge the cases that come to them, and someone would have to go to lower courts and argue that women don't have the right to privacy that is the basis for Roe v. Wade, and that case would have to wind its way to the SC. What is much more likely is that many states would continue to expand limitations on the operation of abortion clinics, restrictions on doctors, etc., that would make it impossible to actually obtain an abortion. The position of the SC would be "You've still got the right, but nobody is required to let you exercise it." The practical consequence is that women in California, New York and other blue states could obtain full health care, and so could anybody who could travel there, but women across the South who couldn't would have to return to the back alleys.

Currently four states -- Mississippi, Louisiana, North Dakota and South Dakota -- have so-called “trigger laws” on the books, which would automatically ban and criminalize abortion for patients and providers if Roe v. Wade were to be overturned.

However, it is more likely that instead of scrapping Roe v. Wade all together, the Supreme Court could uphold new restrictions on abortion care access passed at the state level. Without formally overturning the Roe v. Wade decision, per se, states could still seriously limit how and when American women can receive an abortion.
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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/everyone-...th-groups-131106746--abc-news-topstories.html

Also,
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...d-overturn-roe-v-wade-without-overturning-it/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...-rights-supreme-court/?utm_term=.011571a21900
 
theprestige said:
luchog, what key constitutional principle did the Supreme Court articulate in Roe v Wade?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_decision

HTH, HAND

acbytesla said:
Did you have to paint that dystopian picture?
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Look at the current administration and Supreme Court justices and tell me I'm wrong.

This is nothing new for this country, and the GOP has never stopped making clear that they want nothing more than to undue the last 60-70 years of progress.
 
Bob001 said:
It's very unlikely that they would actually overturn Roe v. Wade. They can only judge the cases that come to them, and someone would have to go to lower courts and argue that women don't have the right to privacy that is the basis for Roe v. Wade, and that case would have to wind its way to the SC. What is much more likely is that many states would continue to expand limitations on the operation of abortion clinics, restrictions on doctors, etc., that would make it impossible to actually obtain an abortion. The position of the SC would be "You've still got the right, but nobody is required to let you exercise it." The practical consequence is that women in California, New York and other blue states could obtain full health care, and so could anybody who could travel there, but women across the South who couldn't would have to return to the back alleys.
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They're already doing it in MS from what I've heard.
 
luchog said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_decision

HTH, HAND

Look at the current administration and Supreme Court justices and tell me I'm wrong.

This is nothing new for this country, and the GOP has never stopped making clear that they want nothing more than to undue the last 60-70 years of progress.
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I'm not saying you're wrong. Its that I'm afraid that you are right. The GOP has been always nibbling away on what little power and protection of the bottom 90 percent of the population has. Your picture makes that erosion into a landslide. It makes me sick.
 
Travis said:
It is unhealthy that I'm upset that we now have a Supreme Court that will soon rule that only white Christian men have basic rights? That only men will be allowed to own property, vote or read books in public? That soon we will start burning people at the stake again for various religious crimes? That soon this nation will be an unlivable hellhole with tens of millions dead in the concentration camps that will definitely also be ruled as "constitutional?"
I choose to be upset about the nightmare that is about to descend on this nation.
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wut?

is this nonsense a Poe?
 
Overturning Chevron Deference would cause unbelievable damage to the Separation of Power.
It would be nothing less than a power grab by an unelected body.
If you aren't worried about that, you don't care for the ideals of the Constitution.
 
luchog said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade#Supreme_Court_decision

HTH, HAND
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No. This does not help at all. I reject your wishes for a nice day.

You said there was a key principle at risk. I'm not asking for the Wikipedia reference. I'm asking for the thing itself, in your own words.

Feel free to cite whatever source the Wikipedia article cites. But if you can't actually say what that key principle is, why should I accept your assertion that it's under threat?
 
acbytesla said:
Did you have to paint that dystopian picture?
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For you?

And a few other posters?

Yes.

I'm glad luchog took the time to write things out more than I did. Especially since my own post was relatively centered on my own family, rather than society at large.

(I do have to wonder, though, what the average straight cis white person would need to counter all of this - aside from the obvious step to vote for dems in a few weeks, and encourage anyone else who would do the same - and discourage anyone who would vote GOP for any reason...)
 
Mumbles said:
Care to give a reason why they won't go further? Particularly when the president is an overt white supremacist, large numbers of people hate LGBT people ("They'll molest our kids in the bathroom! We prefer our child molesters to be cis, then we'll vote for them! I want to fire them just because they're gay!")
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But none of this hinges on the appointment of Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court. So the question is, why now? Why feel so alarmed now? Homophobic white evangelical men are not the only voting blocs with an agenda. Pendulums do swing. I'm not making any predictions on when that will happen. I certainly hope it's sooner rather than later.
 
Mumbles said:
For you?

And a few other posters?

Yes.

I'm glad luchog took the time to write things out more than I did. Especially since my own post was relatively centered on my own family, rather than society at large.

(I do have to wonder, though, what the average straight cis white person would need to counter all of this - aside from the obvious step to vote for dems in a few weeks, and encourage anyone else who would do the same - and discourage anyone who would vote GOP for any reason...)
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?? Never heard that abbreviation before.
 
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